Trade Deadline/Rumors thread

gilesfan said:
lol Pads. They gave up Turner for Wil Myers and now want him back for Kimbrel. Rizzo has typically been unwilling to deal his top 2-3 prospects so I don't see him doing it in a mid season deal for a closer. I think they go after Clippard.

Speaking of Kimbrel, I've seen so many negative things about him for some reason. ESPN posted a stat that he's converted 55 of 56 saves?
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Kimbrel has been awesome after a bad game or two in April. Crazy how many people still act like he isn't the same.

I would love to have Turner, by the way. Wanted him in the Upton deal.
 
Dalyn said:
Except Prado isn't that player. .273 .312 .369 while looking slow on the bases, unhealthy (again), and costing a fortune (for a utility player).
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He costs 11 million and is at 1.1 WAR so far. His baserunning has been a positive so far this year. There is essentially nothing different about his game this year than years past except that his flyballs haven't turned into homer runs at the same rate as years past. (which is likely due to Marlins Park being one of the least homerun hitting park in the majors)

He would be an excellent pickup for any contender that wouldn't cost a fortune in prospects, but would provide above average production at 2B, 3B, or as a utility guy.
 
nsacpi said:
Emphasis on seemingly. Simmons is on pace for a 3.5 WAR season this year and already has a 4.5 WAR season under his belt. I am as high on Peraza, Albies and Castro as anyone around here. But lets not pretend any of them has a high probability of generating the kind of production Simmons does.
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Maybe. Simmons bat is a drag. If Peraza can play good defense (not Simmons level)... but hit at a decent clip, it's probably a comparable player
 
sturg33 said:
Maybe. Simmons bat is a drag. If Peraza can play good defense (not Simmons level)... but hit at a decent clip, it's probably a comparable player
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Peraza's slash line in AAA so far: .291/.316/.338

Simmons this year in the ML: .263/.325/.343
 
gilesfan said:
He costs 11 million and is at 1.1 WAR so far. His baserunning has been a positive so far this year. There is essentially nothing different about his game this year than years past except that his flyballs haven't turned into homer runs at the same rate as years past. (which is likely due to Marlins Park being one of the least homerun hitting park in the majors)

He would be an excellent pickup for any contender that wouldn't cost a fortune in prospects, but would provide above average production at 2B, 3B, or as a utility guy.
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Above average production? There's a ton of players providing better production at both 2B and 3B. He can't hit vs a RHP. He can't stay on the field. He hasn't even played much outside of 3B this year. The only thing Prado has going for him is defense.
 
Dalyn said:
Above average production? There's a ton of players providing better production at both 2B and 3B. He can't hit vs a RHP. He can't stay on the field. He hasn't even played much outside of 3B this year. The only thing Prado has going for him is defense.
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There is no real reason for me to argue with you. You've always had a confusing, irrational hatred for the guy.
 
Hawk said:
Rosenthal: Padres are trying to trade Jedd Gyorko. He's another guy I'd try to plug in at 3B. Would require the Braves take on some money, but CJ would offset nearly half of that.
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Starting next year it's 33M owed for Jedd and 17.5M for CJ. It would have to be a good package with the Pads taking CJ back, but I thought about it as well.
 
sturg33 said:
Fair enough... didn't realize Peraza has been that bad...

I guess I would still side with:

Peraza + trade return of Simmons

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Simmons + trade return of Peraza
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You are leaving out an important part of the equation. It should be: Peraza, plus cost to pay Peraza, plus trade return of Simmons minus short and long term cost to pay Simmons

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Simmons plus cost to pay Simmons + trade return of Peraza minus short and long term cost of Peraza.

Simmons is set to make: 6,8,11,13,15M from 2016 through 2020.

Any difference seen in play is likely more than offset by payroll considerations.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
You are leaving out an important part of the equation. It should be: Peraza, plus cost to pay Peraza, plus trade return of Simmons minus short and long term cost to pay Simmons

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Simmons plus cost to pay Simmons + trade return of Peraza minus short and long term cost of Peraza.

Simmons is set to make: 6,8,11,13,15M from 2016 through 2020.

Any difference seen in play is likely more than offset by payroll considerations.
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Then the trade of Peraza plus salary offsets to Albies
 
sturg33 said:
Fair enough... didn't realize Peraza has been that bad...

I guess I would still side with:

Peraza + trade return of Simmons

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Simmons + trade return of Peraza
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Probably right...but not from the Mets. We'd need to get at least one impact bat controlled for years. Mets don't have that guy.

Simmons I think is a solid 8th place hitter. Sometimes we ask to much of him. If we had a decent lineup and left him at 8, then I think he'd be better. He'd get some gimme walks and he'd get some strikes when bases are open. He makes solid contact and could have a big BABIP year and look really good.
 
dak said:
Rosenthal up with an article on the trade market for Carlos Gomez. I bring this up because teams interested in Gomez may also have interest in Maybin. Both are RHH CFs and have similar contracts (though Gomez doesn't have a 2017 option). According to Rosenthal, the teams interested in Gomez are: Rangers, Giants, Astros, and (non-contender) Indians. It'll be interesting to see if Maybin plays for one of those teams by end of week.

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/...line-drawing-interest-072715?vid=491643971740
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Indians are interesting b/c the rumor is they can't add any money. If we paid Maybin's way this year could we get Zimmer or Frasier? Would we want those guys....prob depends on how you think Mallex can move into the lineup....and if you believe the defensive metrics on Maybin.
 
I would do a Simmons for Nimmo, Conforto & Cecchini trade. Both OF are LH and corner outfielders which is a bit of a drawback, but...

I would also include JJ in the deal if the Mets would send back C Ali Sanchez who is a long way away but has a chance.

I would then play Peraza at short (until/if Albies takes over) and let Nimmo & Conforto join the Peterson, Davidson pile to hopefully produce two who supply long term core corner outfield solutions. I would have Cecchini in the Peraza, Albies, Ruiz, Peterson pile to hopefully produce long term core stability at 2b, ss, 3B.

I would still be working hard to add to those two piles since prospects don't always pan out. You need quality and quantity.
 
Julio3000 said:
That reminds me of a guy who had a red-hot ST with us one year and actually broke camp as our starting CF and leadoff hitter, then barely cracked the Mendoza line in AAA the rest of the season. Can't quite recall his name . . .
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