Trading Justin Upton AND Jason Heyward?

yeezus said:
That doesn't even make sense. Because teams aren't the same year to year. But whatever. Yes, it does matter.
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This core group has reached the best spot the will ever be. An NLDS exit and not even an exit, but an ass kicking. Blow it up and start over.
 
sturg33 said:
The Chris Johnson extension was inexcusable. Just no reason for it. If anyone needs to be moved, he'd be second on my list.
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Johnson extension makes sense from a baseball move perspective. His contract is movable. Even if he sucks at other things he hits for a respectable average, a team who needs a bat who's desperate will take him on the chance the chips fall. If he bounces back and has a strong year not even remaining stagnant we probably can get a positive return for him.
 
zitothebrave said:
Johnson extension makes sense from a baseball move perspective. His contract is movable. Even if he sucks at other things he hits for a respectable average, a team who needs a bat who's desperate will take him on the chance the chips fall. If he bounces back and has a strong year not even remaining stagnant we probably can get a positive return for him.
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Sure, he's movable. But the return is going to be negligible.
 
CyYoung31 said:
This is ****ing stupid. Rebuild when we still have a young, competitive team? I understand possibly trading a piece away to fill other needs, but trading two major pieces? Why are people insinuating that we need to start from square one based off one bad year? That's what perennial losers do.

And also, trading Heyward away could set this organization back a decade.
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We 100% cannot let either Heyward or Justin walk away after 2015 for just a draft pick. That will kill us. Nobody wants to trade either but the team needs to be realistic. We MUST cash in on one of them this offseason and pick up multiple pieces. I'm sure everyone here would love nothing more then to lock both up but we can't go into the year with both. I'm going to be very disappointed if we don't trade one.
 
If we are rebuilding the guy we should try to move is Kimbrel. Even if we are not rebuilding there is a better case imo for moving him than Jason or Justin. In either case a lot depends on the return.
 
nsacpi said:
If we are rebuilding the guy we should try to move is Kimbrel. Even if we are not rebuilding there is a better case imo for moving him than Jason or Justin. In either case a lot depends on the return.
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Agreed - I feel we could package him and BJ to the Tigers and not have to eat much money
 
zitothebrave said:
Johnson extension makes sense from a baseball move perspective. His contract is movable. Even if he sucks at other things he hits for a respectable average, a team who needs a bat who's desperate will take him on the chance the chips fall. If he bounces back and has a strong year not even remaining stagnant we probably can get a positive return for him.
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Regardless if he's movable or not, it was just unnecessary. We had full control over his rights regardless, but at least had the ability to cut the chord if needed. Now we can't do that, and have to hope to find a "desperate" team who is dumb enough to take him.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if both were traded. Hope BJ and CJ are moved. I would just as soon watch our AA and AAA players than what we had in ATL during August and September. Just saying.
 
buck75 said:
I wouldn't be surprised if both were traded. Hope BJ and CJ are moved. I would just as soon watch our AA and AAA players than what we had in ATL during August and September. Just saying.
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Yup. We would be just as well off with some combination of Peraza, Kubitza, Cunningham and Wren at center and third. And would have a lot more money to spend on other priorities.
 
zitothebrave said:
Johnson extension makes sense from a baseball move perspective. His contract is movable. Even if he sucks at other things he hits for a respectable average, a team who needs a bat who's desperate will take him on the chance the chips fall. If he bounces back and has a strong year not even remaining stagnant we probably can get a positive return for him.
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The problem with the CJ extension is that he is an obvious non-tender candidate this offseason, and the possibility of that happening once his BABIP regressed should have been obvious LAST offseason. I even predicted CJ would be a non-tander candidate last offseason since he was very likely to regress significantly in 2014. Now there is no option but to pay him. Had the extension not been made he could have still been traded as an arbitration eligible player.

All the extension did was eliminate the option of cutting him loose and freeing up that money, which is probably what would have happened to him this offseason.

In my opinion, the CJ extension was worse than the Uggla and BJ contracts because 1.) he was already under team control, 2.) he was very likely to regress significantly, and 3.) there was zero reason to keep him past the period of arbitration team control.
 
Enscheff said:
The problem with the CJ extension is that he is an obvious non-tender candidate this offseason, and the possibility of that happening once his BABIP regressed should have been obvious LAST offseason. I even predicted CJ would be a non-tander candidate last offseason since he was very likely to regress significantly in 2014. Now there is no option but to pay him. Had the extension not been made he could have still been traded as an arbitration eligible player.

All the extension did was eliminate the option of cutting him loose and freeing up that money, which is probably what would have happened to him this offseason.

In my opinion, the CJ extension was worse than the Uggla and BJ contracts because 1.) he was already under team control, 2.) he was very likely to regress significantly, and 3.) there was zero reason to keep him past the period of arbitration team control.
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Precisely. Wren's weakness was always getting weighed down with future contract expenses. It's not whether or not Johnson will be worth $9 million per in 2017, it's whether or not the obligation precludes the Braves from using the money on a more pressing need. IF indeed the organization is under budget constraints, the front office has to be nimble with financial commitments and any unnecessary constraint needs to be avoided. The Johnson contract is such a constraint because we either pay him or move him below market in talent exchange terms.
 
This team is most certainly NOT in a position to "blow it up and rebuild".

The only way this team can afford to move Heyward or JUp is if they make another trade to fill the resulting hole at the corner OF position (I'm going to assume Gattis is NOT a realistic option for LF). This would be a move in addition to bringing in a player like Jay, Aoki, Fowler, etc to replace BJ.

For example, if Gattis can bring back Wil Meyers (he can't), then JUp or Heyward could be used to bring back a young SP. No team would trade a controllable OFer for Heyward or JUp...they would just play the young OFer, so two moves like the example I gave would have to occur in tandem, or not at all.
 
emk418 said:
We 100% cannot let either Heyward or Justin walk away after 2015 for just a draft pick. That will kill us. Nobody wants to trade either but the team needs to be realistic. We MUST cash in on one of them this offseason and pick up multiple pieces. I'm sure everyone here would love nothing more then to lock both up but we can't go into the year with both. I'm going to be very disappointed if we don't trade one.
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Draft picks.
 
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