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nsacpi said:
where have you been dude

we had a presidential ticket (that would be both the nominees for president and vice president) who strenuously pushed the idea that dark-skinned immigrants were eating our pets
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I will again point out, because you keep repeating it, that “the idea that dark-skinned immigrants were eating our pets” was true.

What a weird thing for you to double and triple down on.
 
sturg33 said:
Dearborn population is now 55% Muslim. That has resulted in a Muslim mayor a city council with many Muslims on it. They've built the largest mosque in amaerica, and have put Arabic on signage and even police badges. There are several videos of citizens harassing non Muslim business owners for being open on religious holidays, or not respecting Muslim norms.

If these hordes of immigrants were like the ones who got of the boat in Staten Island, that would be one thing. But many of these people simply to not respect American cultures or fundamental ideals. We see how they run their countries... we see how they treat women ans the alphabet group, why progressives bend over to accommodate them makes zero sense
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American politics is now all about pattern recognition. If the board see the sequence red-blue-green repeated 7k times, and then red-blue- comes up, some of us will know the next step is green. Others will call those people bigots. Because norms or empathy or something.
 
Jaw said:
I will again point out, because you keep repeating it, that “the idea that dark-skinned immigrants were eating our pets” was true.

What a weird thing for you to double and triple down on.
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The video you reference was of a dark-skinned person born in this country and not even living in the places where Haitians were alleged to have barbecued pets. It was and is a racist hoax peddled by Trump, Vance and others.
 
nsacpi said:
The video you reference was of a dark-skinned person born in this country and not even living in the places where Haitians were alleged to have barbecued pets. It was and is a racist hoax peddled by Trump, Vance and others.
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Neighbors said the man was an African immigrant. Haiti was not the country of origin, that is the only part that Trump and Vance were wrong on. It was not a hoax, and labeling something we don’t like ‘racist’ stopped being an effective debate tool a decade ago.
 
I asked grok:

any truth to the story that dark-skinned immigrants were eating people's dogs and cats in ohio

grok's answer:

No, there is no truth to the story that dark-skinned immigrants (specifically Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio) were eating people's dogs and cats.


This claim originated as an online rumor in early September 2024, spreading rapidly on social media from unverified, second- or third-hand accounts (like a Facebook post citing "my neighbor's daughter's friend" with no direct knowledge). It was amplified by figures including JD Vance and Donald Trump during the 2024 election cycle, including in a presidential debate.


Multiple credible sources, including local authorities, have repeatedly debunked it:


  • Springfield Police Department stated there were "no credible reports or specific claims of pets being harmed, injured or abused by individuals within the immigrant community."
  • Springfield city officials, including Mayor Rob Rue (a Republican), confirmed no evidence of such incidents, calling the claims unsubstantiated and disinformation.
  • Ohio Governor Mike DeWine (also a Republican) publicly stated there was "no credible evidence" for the stories.
  • Fact-checking organizations (e.g., FactCheck.org, Reuters, PolitiFact, BBC, AP) investigated and found zero evidence—no police reports, no verified witnesses, no photos or videos tied to Springfield Haitians.

The rumor appears to stem from misinformation chains, sometimes mixing in unrelated incidents (e.g., a cat-killing video from Canton, Ohio, or a goose photo from Columbus). Similar false extensions popped up briefly in places like Dayton, but local police there also dismissed them outright.


The Haitian immigrants in Springfield (around 15,000–20,000 in a city of ~60,000) largely arrived legally under Temporary Protected Status due to conditions in Haiti. The claim has been widely described as a hoax or baseless rumor, even earning recognition as a major piece of disinformation from 2024.


In short: It's a false, debunked story with no supporting evidence from law enforcement or officials on the ground.
 
can you amplify on the incident in canton

The "incident in Canton" refers to a real but completely unrelated animal cruelty case from August 2024 in Canton, Ohio (about 170–175 miles northeast of Springfield, where the main Haitian immigrant pet-eating rumors were centered).


On August 16, 2024, Canton police responded to multiple calls reporting a woman who had killed a cat by stomping on its head and then began eating parts of it in a residential area (a housing complex on 13th Street SE) in front of witnesses. The suspect was Allexis Telia Ferrell, a 27-year-old lifelong U.S. citizen and Canton resident (born in Ohio, graduated from Canton McKinley High School in 2015). She had no connection to Haiti, immigration status issues, or the Springfield community.


  • Police bodycam footage from the arrest (which shows officers confronting her at the scene with visible blood and fur) was released publicly and went viral on social media.
  • Some posts falsely claimed or implied this was evidence of Haitian immigrants in Springfield eating pets, mislabeling the location or the suspect's background.
  • Canton police explicitly confirmed to multiple outlets (including Reuters and the BBC) that Ferrell was not a Haitian immigrant and that they had received no complaints involving Haitian immigrants or similar incidents tied to any immigrant community.

Ferrell was charged with cruelty to companion animals (a fifth-degree felony in Ohio), along with related offenses like disorderly conduct. She initially pleaded not guilty (including by reason of insanity at one point) but later changed her plea to guilty. In December 2024, a Stark County judge sentenced her to 12 months in prison for the animal cruelty charge, plus additional time (up to around 30 months total in some reports) for probation violations in prior unrelated cases (involving things like drug possession and child endangerment).


This case was one of several isolated, unrelated incidents (another involved a man in Columbus killing a goose) that got conflated online with the baseless Springfield rumors. Fact-checkers, local officials, and police in both Canton and Springfield stressed it had zero link to Haitian immigrants or any broader pattern. The Canton incident was a tragic, individual act of animal cruelty (possibly tied to mental health or substance issues, per some reports), not part of any immigrant-related story.
 
can you amplify on the incident in Columbus

The "incident in Columbus" you're asking about likely refers to the viral photo of a man carrying a dead Canada goose (sometimes described as a goose or geese) that circulated online in September 2024. This image was falsely presented by some social media users and right-wing accounts as evidence of Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio (about 45–50 miles west of Columbus) stealing, killing, or eating wildlife like geese or ducks from parks.


Here's the full context and what actually happened:


  • The photo was taken on July 28, 2024, in Columbus, Ohio (specifically at the intersection of Cleveland Avenue and Northwold Road, verifiable via EXIF data, Google Street View, and the photographer's account).
  • A local resident (who later spoke anonymously to outlets like The Columbus Dispatch and NBC4) snapped the picture while driving because it was an unusual sight—"not something you see every day." He posted it to Reddit's r/Columbus subreddit that same day, well before the Springfield rumors exploded nationally.
  • The man in the photo was carrying what appeared to be a dead goose by its feet. The Ohio Division of Wildlife (part of the Ohio Department of Natural Resources) later confirmed this was roadkill—the goose had been hit by a car.
  • Under Ohio wildlife rules, people are allowed to collect certain roadkill like Canada geese without special documentation (unlike some other species), and there's no evidence the man intended to eat it, sell it, or do anything illegal. He was simply picking it up.
  • Crucially, there's zero indication the man was Haitian, an immigrant, or connected to the Springfield community. The photo has no link to any pet-eating or immigrant-related claims—those were retroactively attached when the image was reposted (often with misleading captions) after the Springfield rumors gained traction via JD Vance, Donald Trump, and online influencers.

This Columbus goose photo was one of several unrelated or misrepresented items (along with the Canton cat cruelty case we discussed earlier) that got conflated with the baseless Springfield rumors. Fact-checkers (Reuters, BBC, AP, PolitiFact, etc.), local officials, and wildlife authorities all confirmed it was not evidence of anything tied to Haitian immigrants. The photographer himself expressed regret over sharing it once he saw how it was being weaponized against immigrants.


In summary: Like the Canton case, this was an isolated, mundane (if odd) sighting of someone handling roadkill in Columbus—nothing criminal, nothing immigrant-related, and nothing to do with eating pets or wildlife in a pattern. It was simply co-opted into the larger debunked narrative. No credible reports or evidence ever emerged of Haitian immigrants (or anyone) systematically taking geese/ducks in Columbus or Springfield parks for food.
 
it was not just a hoax

it was an attempt to demonize and dehumanize an entire community

carried out by our president and vice president

in broad daylight

on national television
 
One thing I do admire is the phd bows out on all the immense failures of blue state policies but he goes to bat for pet eaters

I guess thats easier than trying to defend the insanity of the left
 
sturg33 said:
@nsacpi are you aware of any cultures or countries where the locals do in fact eat cats? And if so, would you want to stop those people from immigrating here?
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for sure...ive been in countries where dogs, cats, monkey brains, sheep testicles, sea cucumbers are on the menu...some i've partaken in, some i've politely declined

with respect to the second question, there is a french phrase "chez eux" meaning in their house...Haitian immigrants in fact used that phrase when this whole thang was going viral to explain their respect for american norms
 
nsacpi said:
for sure...ive been in countries where dogs, cats, monkey brains, sea cucumbers (you don't want to know) are on the menu
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Great - So you know it happens and we have a % of those cultures here. You think its absolutely impossible that someone could be eating cats and dogs?
 
thethe said:
Great - So you know it happens and we have a % of those cultures here. You think its absolutely impossible that someone could be eating cats and dogs?
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I don't think i said that

what i did say is our president and vice president used a hoax to demonize and dehumanize an enitre community in broad daylight on national television
 
You've twice chosen to not answer a very direct question relevant to the topic at hand

Ill ask a 3rd time. Would you support immigrating the people who eats pets from other countries to the US?
 
sturg33 said:
You've twice chosen to not answer a very direct question relevant to the topic at hand

Ill ask a 3rd time. Would you support immigrating the people who eats pets from other countries to the US?
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yes

i have some very fine colleagues and friends from countries with very different cultures about dogs and cats

none of them eat dogs and cats

some of my french friends eat rabbits, slugs and ortolans...but they're french and get a pass

i do have an immigrant friend who keeps trying to get me to try guinea pigs...so far i've resisted...but i don't think this disqualifies this particular individual from being allowed to stay
 
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