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sturg33 said:
And do you think its bigoted to want to deny access to people who eats pets?
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i think it is bigoted to try to restrict people based on race, ethnicity and religion

i have no objection to eating habits being part of the screening process

although i can imagine the woke left using this to screen out non-vegans someday
 
nsacpi said:
I don't think i said that

what i did say is our president and vice president used a hoax to demonize and dehumanize an enitre community in broad daylight on national television
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You calling it a hoax is great and all - Doesn't change the facts of what multiple first hand accounts in the area have said regardless of how many times you call them racists.
 
nsacpi said:
I asked grok:

any truth to the story that dark-skinned immigrants were eating people's dogs and cats in ohio

grok's answer:

No, there is no truth to the story that dark-skinned immigrants (specifically Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio) were eating people's dogs and cats.


This claim originated as an online rumor in early September 2024, spreading rapidly on social media from unverified, second- or third-hand accounts (like a Facebook post citing "my neighbor's daughter's friend" with no direct knowledge). It was amplified by figures including JD Vance and Donald Trump during the 2024 election cycle, including in a presidential debate.


Multiple credible sources, including local authorities, have repeatedly debunked it:


  • Springfield Police Department stated there were "no credible reports or specific claims of pets being harmed, injured or abused by individuals within the immigrant community."
  • Springfield city officials, including Mayor Rob Rue (a Republican), confirmed no evidence of such incidents, calling the claims unsubstantiated and disinformation.
  • Ohio Governor Mike DeWine (also a Republican) publicly stated there was "no credible evidence" for the stories.
  • Fact-checking organizations (e.g., FactCheck.org, Reuters, PolitiFact, BBC, AP) investigated and found zero evidence—no police reports, no verified witnesses, no photos or videos tied to Springfield Haitians.

The rumor appears to stem from misinformation chains, sometimes mixing in unrelated incidents (e.g., a cat-killing video from Canton, Ohio, or a goose photo from Columbus). Similar false extensions popped up briefly in places like Dayton, but local police there also dismissed them outright.


The Haitian immigrants in Springfield (around 15,000–20,000 in a city of ~60,000) largely arrived legally under Temporary Protected Status due to conditions in Haiti. The claim has been widely described as a hoax or baseless rumor, even earning recognition as a major piece of disinformation from 2024.


In short: It's a false, debunked story with no supporting evidence from law enforcement or officials on the ground.
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Sigh. You’ve taken this beating before, you should stop forgetting.

https://christopherrufo.com/p/the-cat-eaters-of-ohio

https://twitter.com/x/status/1833116632811758047
 
Jaw said:
Sigh. You’ve taken this beating before, you should stop forgetting.

https://christopherrufo.com/p/the-cat-eaters-of-ohio

https://twitter.com/x/status/1833116632811758047
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The Rufo post since its paywalled now:

Donald Trump shocked audiences at this week’s presidential debate with the claim that foreign migrants were eating household pets in Springfield, Ohio, a small town currently reeling under the strain of an unprecedented number of new arrivals, mostly from Haiti. “They’re eating the dogs,” Trump said. “They’re eating the cats.”
Reactions on both sides were spirited. Conservative social media accounts created memes that portrayed Trump, dressed in camouflage, and toting heavy weapons, as the savior of innocent pets. There was even a viral TikTok trend, which chopped up Trump’s speech and set it to dance music. “They’re eating the dogs, they’re eating cats,” the music thumped. “Eat the cat! Eat, eat the cat!”
The establishment media was not amused. During the debate, ABC’s David Muir dismissed Trump’s rhetoric with his version of a fact check, citing the Springfield city manager’s statement that “there have been no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed, injured, or abused by individuals within the immigrant community.” Other publications went further, blasting the former president for spreading a “racist smear,” a “century-old stereotype,” and a “cat-eating conspiracy theory.”
So, is there any truth to the charge? We have conducted an exclusive investigation that reveals that, yes, in fact, some migrants in Ohio appear to have been “eating the cats,” though not exactly in the manner that Trump described.
Our investigation begins in a run-down neighborhood of Dayton, Ohio, the closest major city to Springfield, about a half-hour’s drive away. We identified a social media post, dated August 25, 2023, with a short video depicting what appear to be two skinned cats on top of a blue barbeque. “Yoooo the Africans wildn on Parkwood,” reads the text, referring to Parkwood Drive. The video then pans down to two live cats walking across the grass in front of a run-down fence, with a voice on the video warning: “There go a cat right there. His ass better get missin’, man. Look like his homies on the grill!”

We spoke with the author of the video, who asked to remain anonymous but confirmed its time, location, and authenticity. He told us that he was picking up his son last summer, when he noticed the unusual situation. “It was some Africans that stay right next door to my kid’s mother,” he said. “This African dude next door had the damn cat on the grill.”
We then identified the home by matching it to the visuals in the video and cross-referencing them with the eyewitness. When we knocked on the door of the first unit, a family answered, telling us they were from the Democratic Republic of the Congo and that all of the surrounding units were occupied by other African migrants.
One of the residents told us that her former neighbors, also from Africa, had lived in the adjacent unit until last month. They had a blue grill and the father would find meat in the neighborhood. “Her dad was going to find meat,” she said. “Her dad was going, holding a knife.” The current residents also showed us a blue grill of the same make and model as in the video, which the former neighbors had abandoned after they moved out. There were at least ten cats wandering around the complex and another resident complained that they were breeding on the property.
According to the original witness, whose son was friendly with the neighbors, there was no doubt about what happened last summer. “They was barbecuing the damn cat!” he said. His son’s mother had previously witnessed the family butchering a mammal on the street, but the cats on the barbeque put him in such a state of shock, he felt the need to film it.
To be clear: this single incident does not confirm every particularity of Trump’s statement. The town is Dayton, not Springfield; cats alone were on the grill, not cats and dogs. But it does break the general narrative peddled by the establishment media and its “fact checkers,” who insisted that this has never happened, and that any suggestion otherwise is somehow an expression of racism.
It takes only a single exception, however, to falsify a hypothesis, and the logical next step, for any honest broker, is to ask if it is happening more often, and elsewhere. It is not implausible. Many developing nations, including the Congo and Haiti, have traditions of animal sacrifice or consumption of what Americans would consider household pets. And if this occurred in Dayton, where the migrant population is relatively small, it could be going on down the road in Springfield, where it is relatively much larger.
Independent journalists are already on the hunt and could reveal more. The Daily Wire has dispatched a reporter to Springfield to investigate. The Federalist has published a police report with allegations that a group of Haitians emerged from a city trail with dead geese in hand. Ohio’s attorney general, Dave Yost, has backed up this claim, arguing that citizens with such firsthand knowledge “would be competent witnesses in court.”
There is a legitimate debate to be had about migration and culture. All immigrants bring with them a particular tradition, which, in the case of countries such as Haiti and the Congo, can include practices that many Americans find disturbing. This cultural divide causes understandable consternation for non-migrants living in the rougher parts of places like Dayton and Springfield. They don’t enjoy the luxury of many in the establishment media, who can maintain a safe distance, condescending to those who raise the alarm while not even bothering to investigate anything themselves.
 
You can scream and cry racist all you want - The people in the community were not surprised by any of this. Its become a standard practice in those areas.
 
thethe said:
You can scream and cry racist all you want - The people in the community were not surprised by any of this. Its become a standard practice in those areas.
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the thing is - it doesn't matter to them.

Nsacpi is on record saying this is not a problem and not a reason to deny someone access to this country. So I don't know why he's spending endless energy trying to debunk it. If it's not a big deal, who cares if they're eating the pets?
 
what do you think of Christopher Rufo's research on cat-eating by immigrants in Dayton

Christopher Rufo's "research" on this topic—specifically his September 2024 article and video claiming African immigrants in Dayton were grilling and eating cats—strikes me as a classic case of sensationalism over substance. It's built on shaky, anecdotal evidence that doesn't hold up under scrutiny, and it seems designed more to stir up anti-immigrant sentiment than to uncover verifiable facts. Let me break down why I see it that way, based on what Rufo presented and how it was quickly debunked.


The Core of Rufo's Claim​


Rufo, a conservative activist known for his work on cultural issues, offered a $5,000 bounty on X for proof of pet-eating by Haitian immigrants in Springfield (about 25 miles from Dayton). When that didn't pan out directly, he pivoted to a grainy 2023 video from Dayton, provided by an anonymous tipster, showing what he insists are two skinned cats on a blue barbecue grill in a backyard. He says he verified it through "multiple witnesses and visual cross-references," including talking to the videographer (who claimed the neighbors were "Africans" from the Democratic Republic of Congo) and a reporter who visited the site. Rufo frames this as evidence of broader "costs" of migration, tying it loosely to the viral (and unfounded) Springfield rumors amplified by Trump and Vance during the 2024 election cycle.


Why It Falls Apart​


  • No Solid Proof It's Cats: The video is blurry and inconclusive—many viewers, including online commentators, pointed out that the carcasses look a lot more like plucked chickens (common in many cultures' barbecues) than cats, with visible features like bird-like legs and necks. Rufo relies on the videographer's word and unverified "witnesses," but there's zero forensic evidence, like photos of identifiable cat parts or lab confirmation. It's hearsay at best.
  • Authorities Debunked It Immediately: Dayton police investigated and found no evidence to support the claims—no reports of missing cats tied to this incident, no complaints from neighbors at the time, and nothing credible linking it to immigrants eating pets. Mayor Jeffrey Mims called it "baseless, false, and dangerously irresponsible," emphasizing it fueled unnecessary hate. Similarly, Springfield officials repeatedly stated there were no verified pet-eating incidents there either, despite the national frenzy.
  • Context and Motives: This wasn't rigorous journalism; Rufo has a track record of crafting narratives to push conservative agendas (e.g., his role in the CRT backlash). The video predates the Springfield rumors by a year and involves people from a different country (DRC, not Haiti), in a different city. It feels like cherry-picking to fit a preconceived story, especially since he couldn't find anything in Springfield itself. Plus, JD Vance retweeting it without verification just amplified the misinformation.
  • Broader Impact: Claims like this play into xenophobic tropes about immigrants eating "weird" things (echoing our earlier chat about cultural foods like cuy or andouillette). Eating cat isn't unheard of globally—in parts of Asia, Africa, or even historically in Europe during famines—but there's no evidence here of stolen pets or anything illegal/immoral beyond cultural differences. It ended up harming real communities: Haitian immigrants in Ohio faced threats and harassment over baseless rumors.

Rufo did post a rebuttal to CBS News' fact-check, arguing they ignored his witnesses, but it doesn't address the lack of hard evidence or official dismissals. Overall, I'd rate his "research" as poor—more activism than investigation. If there's actual proof out there, great, but this ain't it.
 
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