Trump Indictment Watch

cajunrevenge said:
Are you serious? The Durham witch hunt to go after Hillary? The Ukraine call and everything else to "get Biden" going into 2020 election. He has constantly put pressure on Lady G to use the Senate Intel committee to "get Biden". He even admitted to telling Barr to go after Hillary a few days ago but Barr told him no.




Whatever you think of Biden, and I think he is a stupid piece if **** even in his prime, I have no doubt he has no involvement in anyone going after Trump.
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The Durham witch hunt that proved Hilary was behind the Alfa nonsense? You take things out of context and unproven allegations as fact. He did want to go after Hillary after it was found she was behind the dossier, which she should have been prosecuted.

After what Trump has went through in regards to investigation after investigation and trying these weak whataboutisms is absurd.
 
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If making allegations through the media that turn out to not be true is a crime Trump would have 1000 more indictments coming. Durhams investigation showed no proof that Hillary just made up the Alfa bank allegations. It showed no proof she knew it was false. And it showed no evidence she wanted to take it to the FBI. In fact there was proof in her campaign emails that showed the exact opposite of everything you claim is a fact. Beyond that the Alfa bank story got little traction in the media. You seem to equate it with the entire Russia investigation for some reason.



You keep crying about the Russia investigation when Don Jr literally went to a meeting with Russians promising dirt on Hillary and Trumps campaign manager was secretly meeting with a Russian agent about the campaign. Trump should be thanking his lucky stars that he was able to BS his way through that investigation. Not crying victim. It's sad that you can't see Trump for the delusional narcissist with a victim complex that he is. How anyone can't see it boggles my mind. One can like his policies and still admit the most obvious truth there is.
 
cajunrevenge said:
If making allegations through the media that turn out to not be true is a crime Trump would have 1000 more indictments coming. Durhams investigation showed no proof that Hillary just made up the Alfa bank allegations. It showed no proof she knew it was false. And it showed no evidence she wanted to take it to the FBI. In fact there was proof in her campaign emails that showed the exact opposite of everything you claim is a fact. Beyond that the Alfa bank story got little traction in the media. You seem to equate it with the entire Russia investigation for some reason.




You keep crying about the Russia investigation when Don Jr literally went to a meeting with Russians promising dirt on Hillary and Trumps campaign manager was secretly meeting with a Russian agent about the campaign. Trump should be thanking his lucky stars that he was able to BS his way through that investigation. Not crying victim. It's sad that you can't see Trump for the delusional narcissist with a victim complex that he is. How anyone can't see it boggles my mind. One can like his policies and still admit the most obvious truth there is.
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1) Don JR wasn't charged for a reason. A legal grey area that many lawyers believe is legal. It would be hard to stick. There are articles on the net about it.
2) Did Manafort know at the time the guy was an agent and on top that we have little proof that he was actually one. Was actually a soft contact for years under Obama.
3) She wanted it taken to the FBI. She wouldn't have been billed by her lawyer for it if she wasn't. Musta changed their minds because the e-mails mean nothing.
4) The Alfa bank material was known to be a fraud within 48 hours of release. Impossible for her not to know it. More of her trying to frame Trump. If Trump had manufactured two bad frauds like she did he would be under the jail.
 
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1- Mueller says in his report he didn't charge Don Jr because he couldn't prove criminal intent because it wasn't clear Don Jr knew it was a crime. If he was a partisan hack like Durham he would have proceeded on charges. Instead he only pursued charges that were open and shut cases. It's weird you people call the Mueller investigation a hoax but everyone he charged was convicted and you say Durhams wasn't a hoax despite getting humiliated in every prosecution. The only conviction was something the IG uncovered.


2- Every Russian diplomat is a spy. Especially the former KGB agents like Kislyiak. There's nothing wrong either talking with them. It's lying about meeting them and lying about what they talked about that makes it suspicious. Manafort himself has many Russian connections and agreed to work for free raises a lot of questions. It's very possible Manafort was colluding with Russia without Trump even being in the loop.


3- you can think it all you want, what matters is what you can prove in a court of law. I don't think you would be very happy with the end results if the bar for prosecution was as low as you want it to be in this case.


4- the Alfa bank allegations consisted of highly technical data. Hillarys campaign emails showed they did not know if it was anything criminal. Their stated reason for giving it to the media instead of the FBI was that they thought the media would do a better job in vetting the story to find out if it was true. Since you admit the Alfa bank allegations were clearly not true within 48 hours of release I don't see how anyone could say Trump suffered any damage over it. It's not like it was dropped 11 days before the election or anything.
 
Jack Smith and the DOJ have been tight-lipped about what they are investigating. It's hard to believe that it's a coincidence that the subpoena to search Mar-a-Lago was issued just after the pool-draining evidence destroying and obstruction attempt.

We have criminal intent, consciousness of guilt and blue collar workers joining fun. I'm sure Trump and his lawyers are already thinking about a plea.
 
No chance Trump takes a plea deal. His lawyers might want it but Trump hires lawyers who tell him what he wants to hear. His original lawyer in this case told him to cooperate and give back the documents. Not long after he was gone either fired or quit when Trump wouldn't take that advice. If Trump took his advice this whole matter is over with already with no charges. Instead Trump admitted to things that sabotaged his defense. So many people have tried to steer Trump toward a competent legal defense and he just ****s all over it and admits to **** that would normally be kind of hard to prove like intentionally taking the documents.
 
The New York indictment is a pretty big stretch. There's a reason multiple other prosecutors refused to bring charges. It's going to require multiple unpredictable things to go the prosecutor's way.

The document stuff looks to have better legs. There are discreet acts you can point to that don't rely on anything else. If he goes to jail, it's more likely to be for the documents than for the New York stuff.
 
striker42 said:
The New York indictment is a pretty big stretch. There's a reason multiple other prosecutors refused to bring charges. It's going to require multiple unpredictable things to go the prosecutor's way.

The document stuff looks to have better legs. There are discreet acts you can point to that don't rely on anything else. If he goes to jail, it's more likely to be for the documents than for the New York stuff.
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As a lawyer have you read Judicial Watch vs NARA? Plenty of lawyers agree Trump did no wrong including Trump's lawyers who have cited this case. It's clear that disputes between the president and NARA are handled in a civil matter and not a criminal one.
 
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striker42 said:
The New York indictment is a pretty big stretch. There's a reason multiple other prosecutors refused to bring charges. It's going to require multiple unpredictable things to go the prosecutor's way.

The document stuff looks to have better legs. There are discreet acts you can point to that don't rely on anything else. If he goes to jail, it's more likely to be for the documents than for the New York stuff.
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Except the previous prosecutors wanted to bring charges in the NY case. He was told by federal prosecutors they wanted the case so he stood down and let them take it as he felt he should yield to the feds. The federal prosecutors didnt bring charges for reasons they havent explained. Trumps caught dead to rights on the falsifying business records charge. The only thing really in dispute is whether it can be upgrade to a felony. Those records charges can be upgraded to a felony if its in the furtherance of another crime. That crime doesnt have to be state crimes. Either way I dont expect jail time even if convicted on those charges because of his status as a former President. Anyone else would get jail time.


If convicted in the documents case I have a hard time seeing him not getting prison time. Especially if he is already convicted of 34 felony counts in NY. I have maintained all along that if it ever looks like Trump is actually going to prison that that is when the crazy **** will really happen. Although I think recent successful prosecutions of the Whitmer terrorists and J6 people might have changed that. The crazies in MAGA world see feds all over the place now and they dont know who to trust and who is a fed.
 
Garmel said:
As a lawyer have you read Judicial Watch vs NARA? Plenty of lawyers agree Trump did no wrong including Trump's lawyers who have cited this case. It's clear that disputes between the president and NARA are handled in a civil matter and not a criminal one.
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Oh boy I cant wait till you get that answer. Not that you will accept it.
 
Because this has nothing to do with NARA. When the indictment comes down then we will have some meat to work with. No need for us to rehash **** based on the limited information we have. Any issue like the one you raise can and will likely go to the Supreme Court where you cant claim he wont get a fair shake. As it stands now, anytime a persons lawyers are being forced to testify under the crime-fraud exception it bodes very poorly for their client because that means a judge has seen proof they committed a crime. And I know, you think its somehow corrupt they are being forced to testify, well forced is just the choice of words used, they could choose to fall on that sword and not testify against Trump. So far I dont think any of them are choosing that option.
 
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cajunrevenge said:
Because this has nothing to do with NARA. When the indictment comes down then we will have some meat to work with. No need for us to rehash **** based on the limited information we have. Any issue like the one you raise can and will likely go to the Supreme Court where you cant claim he wont get a fair shake. As it stands now, anytime a persons lawyers are being forced to testify under the crime-fraud exception it bodes very poorly for their client because that means a judge has seen proof they committed a crime. And I know, you think its somehow corrupt they are being forced to testify, well forced is just the choice of words used, they could choose to fall on that sword and not testify against Trump. So far I dont think any of them are choosing that option.
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It has everything to do with NARA. Legal precedent here states the powers that the president has and the DOJ completely ignored it for their witch hunt. Once again I implore you to actually read Judicial Watch vs NARA and Navy vs. Egan instead of relying on the Business Insider.

The president is the one in control in regards to documents and NOT NARA or the courts. If the government disagrees with him they can take it to civil court and not with stupid raids of his house.

I'm going to say this for the millionth time that this isn't something I'm making up or my interpretation of the law. It is case law that is easy to read and follow.
 
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