TUESDAY MINORS FINAL 6/27: Dawning of the Age of Maitan

auyushu said:
Not sure what scouting reports you've been looking at, pretty much everyone has had Soroka as at least a middle of the rotation/#3 starter type for a while now.
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I'd love to see them.

Maybe we are splitting hairs but I see 3/4 out there a lot. I don't see any 1-2. But I'd love to read them.

Maybe with midseason updates to prospect lists we'll see a bunch.
 
Russ2dollas said:
I'd love to see them.

Maybe we are splitting hairs but I see 3/4 out there a lot. I don't see any 1-2. But I'd love to read them.

Maybe with midseason updates to prospect lists we'll see a bunch.
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No one has said 1, but 2\3 is what I see most.

Guys that are rolling AA like he is at 19 makes him a top 20 prospect or really close to it.
 
Enscheff said:
I'm not going to argue with any ranking of Allard/Soroka/Wright, but nobody is going to convince me that Gohara is in that group right now. I don't care how much I respect the prospect writer that states it. He is older than Allard and Soroka, has had 2 left arm issues already, is already fat at the age of 20, and is being equal-performed by both younger guys.

That could change with ~75 more quality IP at AA, but right now, Gohara is clearly behind The Trio for me. He is definitely #4 though (if you exclude Newk due to graduation).
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I would have Gohara behind those 3 right now, but I could see it if someone believes he's at the same level. His strikeout stuff appears to be better, at this point, than Soroka or Allard, and his control the last 2 years looks to be suddenly pretty good.

Obviously all the things you listed factor in, and the age and level may play into the K-rates as well, but he seems to have clearly better pure stuff than Soroka and at least equivalent to Allard.
 
Tapate50 said:
No one has said 1, but 2\3 is what I see most.

Guys that are rolling AA like he is at 19 makes him a top 20 prospect or really close to it.
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Given this distribution on the FG list:

70: 1

65: 2-6

60: 7-20

55: 21-72

50: 73-100

And his recent comments, the top guys for the Braves likely place like this on the mid-season list...

Albies 60: 5-15

Acuna 60: 5-15

Wright 60: 15-20

Gohara 60/55: 20-40

Soroka 60/55: 20-40

Allard 60/55: 20-40

Maitan 55: 30-50

Pache (who we know he loves) 50: 75-100

That's 8 Top 100 guys...after Swanson and Newk graduated to MLB.
 
Enscheff said:
Given this distribution on the FG list:

70: 1
65: 2-6
60: 7-20
55: 21-72
50: 73-100

And his recent comments, the top guys for the Braves likely place like this on the mid-season list...

Albies 60: 5-15
Acuna 60: 5-15
Wright 60: 15-20
Gohara 60/55: 20-40
Soroka 60/55: 20-40
Allard 60/55: 20-40
Maitan 55: 30-50
Pache (who we know he loves) 50: 75-100

That's 8 Top 100 guys...after Swanson and Newk graduated to MLB.
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And 6-7 in the top 40? Not too shabby.

This is why I was saying that the age of our prospects separated us even further from other systems.

Even still, right now the only one of those guys who is older than 20 is the guy we just drafted, who himself has room to climb higher. That is nuts. They will continue to climb. Next year, it's within reason that we could have 5 of the top 20. I could see Albies, Acuna, Wright, Allard, and Maitan all in that group. Who knows on Gohara and Soroka, but I don't see them getting to that level.
 
smootness said:
And 6-7 in the top 40? Not too shabby.

This is why I was saying that the age of our prospects separated us even further from other systems.

Even still, right now the only one of those guys who is older than 20 is the guy we just drafted, who himself has room to climb higher. That is nuts. They will continue to climb. Next year, it's within reason that we could have 5 of the top 20. I could see Albies, Acuna, Wright, Allard, and Maitan all in that group. Who knows on Gohara and Soroka, but I don't see them getting to that level.
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We needed some in the 50- 100 range too. Fried, touki, TD.. thanks for ****ting the bed this year...

I wonder if Weigel's work will be recognized before injury.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
We needed some in the 50- 100 range too. Fried, touki, TD.. thanks for ****ting the bed this year...

I wonder if Weigel's work will be recognized before injury.
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If not having enough 50-100 prospects is a farm system's biggest problem...everything is fine haha.
 
Enscheff said:
Given this distribution on the FG list:

70: 1
65: 2-6
60: 7-20
55: 21-72
50: 73-100

And his recent comments, the top guys for the Braves likely place like this on the mid-season list...

Albies 60: 5-15
Acuna 60: 5-15
Wright 60: 15-20
Gohara 60/55: 20-40
Soroka 60/55: 20-40
Allard 60/55: 20-40
Maitan 55: 30-50
Pache (who we know he loves) 50: 75-100

That's 8 Top 100 guys...after Swanson and Newk graduated to MLB.
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50\50 position player \ pitcher spilt
 
So, are GCL games completely closed to the public? Why bother playing them then? You could simply play yourself and save the hassle of travel, etc.
 
Russ2dollas said:
I'd love to see them.

Maybe we are splitting hairs but I see 3/4 out there a lot. I don't see any 1-2. But I'd love to read them.
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I said everyone had him as a mid rotation, not 1/2 (though that will likely change after this season given his season this year, and for the reasons Enscheff explained). My issue was with you saying people had him as a back of the rotation, which isn't true.

But anyway, before this season Sickels, BP, mlb, Longenhagen all had him as #3/mid rotation, with half of them mentioning the possibility for more:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/top-32-prospects-atlanta-braves/

https://www.minorleagueball.com/2016/11/18/13681446/atlanta-braves-top-20-prospects-for-2017

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/prospects/eyewitness_pit.php?reportid=334

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2017/?list=atl

And after this season I'm sure they'll all bump him to #2 ceiling at the least.
 
When I Saw 50+ posts on this thread, I knew it was all about Maitan. Alas it was not meant to be

Does anyone have any info in Maitan?
 
striker42 said:
I'm not as confident about that. The K rate is there but the BB rate will press some brakes.
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No it won't. He's 19 and doing very well in A Ball. He was already a top 100 gut before the season and his stock has gone up in people's eyes who have seen him.
 
Anderson has done well at A ball as a 19 year old but he's not dominated. The BB rate is too high and Anderson doesn't have the excuse of a guy like Touki of having only pitched for a couple years.

With a whole new draft entering the picture, I don't see Anderson as "easily" a top 100 and think top 50 would be wrong. Ultimately I think he'll be on most top 100s just because of his draft position but don't be surprised if he's ranked lower than at the start of the season.
 
striker42 said:
Anderson has done well at A ball as a 19 year old but he's not dominated. The BB rate is too high and Anderson doesn't have the excuse of a guy like Touki of having only pitched for a couple years.

With a whole new draft entering the picture, I don't see Anderson as "easily" a top 100 and think top 50 would be wrong. Ultimately I think he'll be on most top 100s just because of his draft position but don't be surprised if he's ranked lower than at the start of the season.
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Didn't allard get roughed up at Rome first, then demoted to Danville, and then back to Rome where he excelled?
 
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