Two Cops Shot in Hattiesburg

Hawk said:
1) That's not an argument, that's an assertion.

2) Yes, I'm fine with police protecting me and making my life safer. That's really the bottom line.

Do I think that indiscriminate police violence is trending upward? No.

Do I think that people who don't understand government are trying to use these isolated incidents as fodder to promote an alternative that nobody actually wants? Yes.

Do I think that we should continue doing whatever it takes to make sure that all LEOs are accountable for their actions? Yes.

Do I think that we should excuse criminality, under any circumstance? No.
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Yes - kill all those blacks so we're safer!
 
Why do these discussions have to get so convoluted and all these extreme "what ifs" brought up? Might it be that everyone is rallying to their side so that they get more points in some mythical afterlife monopoly game or something?

What about these things:
1.) Cops' jobs are dangerous, they should be given the benefit of the doubt whenever possible, but these DO NOT include:
A. shooting fleeing suspects unless they're SURE they post an immediate threat to others (and we're assuming since they're running away they aren't posing said threat to the cops themselves).
B. a 6-1 tackling and choking TO DEATH of an unarmed, non resisting person, regardless of his color, because he was suspected of a crime.
2.) People should obey the law and the LEO and not attack them, curse at them, argue with them, or run away from them. Some, possibly all of those actions may be additional crimes but that is up to the judge and jury to decide, not the LEO, the LEO has the authority to detain suspects either with a warrant or with probable cause, but that probable causes DOES NOT include using deadly force unless their lives of the lives of others are in definite provable danger. And since we were discussing unions in that other thread, why do almost all police officer unions tend to close ranks around their own when they're accused of one of these things? I mean, so many of you guys hate unions, or at least seem to, isn't this sort of union activity way worse than trying to squeeze a few extra million out of prosperous companies?

I'm a pro-2nd amendment guy, cops and non-cops but I don't believe in any rights that don't also carry responsibilities. Cops have rules they have to follow whether they want to or not, it they don't want to, they shouldn't be cops. If non cops want to stay out of prison or death row they have rules that they need to follow as well. Why is this so complicated?

As far as what Hawk said about being OK with most things as long as they protect us (not meant to be a quote, just a synopsis) I agree in most cases but consider this (and yes I realize I'm picking on the poor Repubs again)
1.) Weren't Repubs almost totally against stem cell research until Reagan came down with Alzheimers and them Nancy and come of Ronnie's supporters decided it was OK to do stem cell research "under certain circumstances"?
2.) Weren't Rupubs almost totally against same sex marriage until Dick Cheney's daughter "came out" and then most of them have shut up about it, either because they "evolved like Obama" or that maybe they just didn't want to go and check the mail one day and find a quail hunting invitation from Dick?

Being willing to give up rights, even if it's just rights to expect cops to follow the rules isn't anything other than a short term hiding solution, why don't we actually fix some of these things for a change, rather than what we've done for the last 35 years or so and just put them off until another day?

IMO a cop who shoots a kills a fleeing suspect who is not a danger to anyone, possibly because they just don't want to chase them down, is guilty of a crime, possibly up to manslaughter.

IMO any person(s) who slip up on or set up a cop and shoot/kill them to try and make some sort of "dumb-assed point" is guilty of premeditated murder, Murder 1 and being an accessory to this is just as bad as pulling the trigger.
 
thethe said:
It's incredible to me that as a society we are getting to the point where criminals are viewed in a better light than police officers.
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It's incredible to me that people can't distinguish when police officers become criminals themselves. A badge doesn't make you above the law.
 
Carp said:
It's incredible to me that people can't distinguish when police officers become criminals themselves. A badge doesn't make you above the law.
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Who has defended egregious acts where power has been clearly abused? Nobody...
 
thethe said:
Who has defended egregious acts where power has been clearly abused? Nobody...[/QUOT

Thethe, you haven't come to the conclusion yet that it's wrong to stereotype against Muslims and Blacks but it's more than acceptable to stereotype That all cops are the same?
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thethe said:
Who has defended egregious acts where power has been clearly abused? Nobody...
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Just last week. You attacked the victim more than you did the cops that killed him. kcgrecw even posted a article claiming the victim somehow killed himself on which you commented on.
 
Carp said:
Just last week. You attacked the victim more than you did the cops that killed him. kcgrecw even posted a article claiming the victim somehow killed himself on which you commented on.
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I specifically mentioned in that case that I am waiting for all the evidence. Too many quick judgement were made in the Brown case.
 
See, folks here in Madison don't pull a Ferguson or Baltimore, funny. The DA is black and back the officer who by all reports and evidence had the right to defend himself after he got knocked down and up against the wall, by many witnesses. The attacker attacked other people as well.

They are protesting politely, I have not seen Jesse or Al around, because the DA is black, they usually preaching hell and brimstone now about an unarmed but dangerous and deranged teenager on so much drugs (oh we shouldn't put people in jail for drugs they aren't bad for you) he attacked anything he saw? Just like Baltimore when they found out the cops were black, not a peep from them.

Even in a carry and conceal state as Wisconsin, the ones attacked never had a chance to defend themselves and oh boy wouldn't that be a story......or buried.

And they wonder why we have racial issues in this country?
 
3 totally different situations.
Pretty sure the kid in Wisconsin wasn't left in the street for hours or endured the entire mess of the Baltimore young man.

The Madison case was handled promptly and professionally. Had that been the case in either Ferguson or B-more I'm guessing there wouldn't have been the frustrations
 
Somebody please explain to me why only Daily Mail and Fox News are covering this story: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ting-Richard-Fletcher-Baltimore-April-22.html

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I will go out on a limb and say the difference between what happened to the man above and the people that were shot would be, the people that were shot - were shot by those charged with protecting the population.
Institutional

The terrible thing that happened t the man in the picture above happened at the hands of rioters .
Social chaos

I certainly hope posters can tell the difference
 
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