Ukraine

Oh and here's a little bit from that vast-right-wing-conspiracy rag, the Washington Post:

"...Now Ukraine has emerged as a test of Obama’s argument that, far from weakening American power, he has enhanced it through smarter diplomacy, stronger alliances and a realism untainted by the ideology that guided his predecessor.

It will be a hard argument for him to make, analysts say.

A president who has made clear to the American public that the “tide of war is receding” has also made clear to foreign leaders, including opportunists in Russia, that he has no appetite for a new one. What is left is a vacuum once filled, at least in part, by the possibility of American force.

“If you are effectively taking the stick option off the table, then what are you left with?” said Andrew C. Kuchins, who heads the Russia and Eurasia Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. “I don’t think that Obama and his people really understand how others in the world are viewing his policies.”

Rarely has a threat from a U.S. president been dismissed as quickly — and comprehensively — as Obama’s warning Friday night to Russian President Vladi*mir Putin. The former community organizer and the former Cold Warrior share the barest of common interests, and their relationship has been defined far more by the vastly different ways they see everything from gay rights to history’s legacy.

Obama called Putin on Saturday and expressed “deep concern over Russia’s clear violation of Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity, which is a breach of international law,” the White House said.

From a White House podium late Friday, Obama told the Russian government that “there will be costs” for any military foray into Ukraine, including the semiautonomous region of Crimea, a strategically important peninsula on the Black Sea.

Within hours, Putin asked the Russian parliament for approval to send forces into Ukraine. The vote endorsing his request was unanimous, Obama’s warning drowned out by lawmakers’ rousing rendition of Russia’s national anthem at the end of the session. Russian troops now control the Crimean Peninsula…."
 
Isn't that doing the very thing you so often decry Hawk?

And the present situation absolutely has something to do with the foreign policy of President Obama and of President Bush before him. A president's foreign policy has something to do with what kind of president he is viewed as being doesn't it?

Come on Bedell, you know the far right is going to not only say Obama is not handling this right, the way a REAL president would, but they're going to say Bush would have done better, let's face neither of them is capable of doing anything except either talking or going to war. I gave you more credit than to fall into the usual Repub spin. I still don't believe you're going to try to use this sort of terrible series of events just to make some political points. If you're going to go down that road you'll have to prove it to me, I maintain you're better than that.

If W were still president what would he do other than talk or threaten sanctions? I think the black-ops solution you mentioned a day or two ago is the only solution for this and who knows that might actually get rid of one very bad guy only to replace him with an even worse guy.
 
I guess it's natural for some to ponder what Bush would've done had these events unfolded during his Presidency. I don't see much use gazing in the rear-view, but it's worth considering that the US was much more active internationally during the W. years (not just in the Middle East), and that Bush made Russia a priority and maintained a dynamic, positive relationship with Putin.

We're seeing the consequences of Obama's 'new Isolationism' being tested right now.
 
I guess it's natural for some to ponder what Bush would've done had these events unfolded during his Presidency. I don't see much use gazing in the rear-view, but it's worth considering that the US was much more operative internationally during the W. years (not just in the Middle East), and that Bush made Russia a priority and maintained an active, positive relationship with Putin.

We're seeing the consequences of Obama's 'new Isolationism' being tested right now.

Let's be real here, Bush's congress bent over and went with whatever he wanted, and he didn't have such a huge financial crisis Obammer has. Bush had a rubber stamp congress for his first 6 years. And of course Pelosi and the Dems never passed a spending bill frequently too.

If Bush was President, it wouldn't make any difference tbh. Libya, Syria, Venezuela, Ukraine, Egpyt all would happen also.

Conservatives have been harping on Fast & Furious, Benghazi, Obamacare, Guns, and the economy for the last 4 years. Now that there's a major international crisis involving Russia, all of the sudden the right is jumping all over this. Sarah Palin is using it as a political ploy to make people think she's smarter, for some reason the Romney-Obama Presidential debate is being brought up, and Ronald Reagan still can't rest in peace.
 
Let's be real here, Bush's congress bent over and went with whatever he wanted, and he didn't have such a huge financial crisis Obammer has. Bush had a rubber stamp congress for his first 6 years. And of course Pelosi and the Dems never passed a spending bill frequently too.

If Bush was President, it wouldn't make any difference tbh. Libya, Syria, Venezuela, Ukraine, Egpyt all would happen also.

Conservatives have been harping on Fast & Furious, Benghazi, Obamacare, Guns, and the economy for the last 4 years. Now that there's a major international crisis involving Russia, all of the sudden the right is jumping all over this. Sarah Palin is using it as a political ploy to make people think she's smarter, for some reason the Romney-Obama Presidential debate is being brought up, and Ronald Reagan still can't rest in peace.

You don't have to spend money to be an effective diplomatic presence, but you do have to make some sort of effort. And not just this type of thing:

obama-beer-4.jpg
 
What neo-isolationism are you referring to? Obama has continued the illegal war practices of Bush.

Kerry's words, not mine:

Speaking to reporters, Kerry inveighed against what he sees as a tendency within the United States to retreat from the world even as he defended the Obama administration’s diplomatic efforts from Syria to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

“There’s a new isolationism,” Kerry said during a nearly one-hour discussion with a small group of reporters.

“We are beginning to behave like a poor nation,” he added, saying some Americans do not perceive the connection between US engagement abroad and the US economy, their own jobs and wider US interests.

He also said that the US had an obligation to pursue nuclear negotiations with Iran before it considered going to war with Tehran to force it to give up its nuclear activities – a strong hint that the Obama administration would seriously consider a strike on Iran if the diplomatic talks fail.

“We took the initiative and led the effort to try to figure out if before we go to war there actually might be a peaceful solution,” Kerry said.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...tionism-and-says-us-behaving-like-poor-nation
 
You don't have to spend money to be an effective diplomatic presence, but you do have to make some sort of effort. And not just this type of thing:

obama-beer-4.jpg

Well to be fair this IS the perfect strategy when you're trying to improve relations with Ireland.
 
Again, I think the best thing for me to do, while not being a fan of the President for so many reasons, is to still fervently pray for him and his leadership and wisdom.
 
You don't have to spend money to be an effective diplomatic presence, but you do have to make some sort of effort. And not just this type of thing:

obama-beer-4.jpg

Remember the conspiracy theories on the right when prez whispered in the ear to Medvedev?
 
Again, I think the best thing for me to do, while not being a fan of the President for so many reasons, is to still fervently pray for him and his leadership and wisdom.

Well plenty in your party have prayed for him to fail since he took office. Glad to see a slight change
 
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