Uribe and KJ to NYM
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striker42
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The lottery ticket analogy is fine. We bought two lottery tickets for two dollars. KJ and Uribe weren't of much value to us hence they are two dollars. Still, they had some minimal value.
The two guys we got are lottery tickets that cost a dollar and have a top prize of $3 that you have a 1% chance of winning. It's possible Gant and Whalen hit and give us some minimal value but why even bother? There's a far greater chance that both fizzle out and become nothing. The risk/reward ratio isn't there. They're two guys with a long shot at becoming something marginally useful.
The salary dump is the only real positive in it for us. However, this deal doesn't have the hallmarks of a pure salary dump. Neither of these two were making that much. Both were guys who would fit on a lot of clubs in the race. It seems that if you just wanted to dump their salary you could find someone to take it all. Getting those two is a pretty big boost to your bench which can be HUGE come the playoffs.
Anyway, it's not like it's a huge deal. We're not talking about trading Freeman for scrubs. We probably could have gotten a better haul but the difference isn't that substantial. It just bugs me because everything you've seen the front office do since the start of the offseason has made sense. You might not agree with their conclusion but you can at least see that there was reasoning behind it. This deal looks like we made a trade for the sake of making a trade. Maybe the reasoning will become clear in the future.
Joel Sherman
@Joelsherman1
#Sfgiants talked to #Braves about reunion with Uribe b4 #Mets obtained him. 5 clubs expressed some level of interest.
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Probably SF, NYM, PIT, LAA, maybe KCR.
I can see Hart getting trigger happy once Pittsburgh and Anaheim fell off the board given that list.
@Joelsherman1
#Sfgiants talked to #Braves about reunion with Uribe b4 #Mets obtained him. 5 clubs expressed some level of interest.
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Probably SF, NYM, PIT, LAA, maybe KCR.
I can see Hart getting trigger happy once Pittsburgh and Anaheim fell off the board given that list.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
The money we spent on KJ and Uribe is a sunk cost. The money is gone. In this case we got money back and something. It does us no good to hold onto them.
The absolute worst thing we could do is keep them. Could we have gotten more at the deadline? I have no idea and neither do you. But the only thing we should have been truely mad about is not trading them. Same thing with JJ and Gomes (although nobody may want Gomes).
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
Or all of those folks expressed interest and none were willing to give up what the NYM did. Teams may have been interested in the guys as just a salary dump and we wanted to get something.
Tapate50
Well-known member
Its clear to most everyone but you.
You have no idea if any of this is true or not. Just flat speculation...and you admit that we couldn't have gotten anything significantly more substantial. So, glad we are clear about that.
Sure, they had better offers than this but chose the lesser return. Makes sense even though everything this FO has done is to try and maximize return even taking on money when necessary....
You do realize that prospects can serve in a number of different respects right? All of their usefulness isn't just on them making the major league rotation right? That increases the likelihood of their payoff, PLUS they can be used to bolster trade packages, or return other prospects. We may need them next in 2017 just like the Mets did to bolster their bench. They actually fill a gap we have in the minors as well. They may be long relief candidates...ala Christhian Martinez who was very valuable for us. They can be used to offset salaries as well. 2 months of KJ and Uribe are far less valuable than the flexibility these two offer us now. We may never see any of that benefit in the form of pitches thrown for Atlanta, but someone else may.
Stop looking at the two names and saying , "jeez, that's all?"
Possibly, but unlikely.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
I would say likely...why would we take less? Everyone is making up some scenario where we get offered a B prospect and Hart asks for a B+ and we're left with only the Mets' offer. Why?
A whole year of KJ on the free market was 1.5 million. That's equivalent to what, a 30 year old .280 hitter in high A?
I don't know, I never posted that or indicated I agreed with that line of thinking.
I posted a tweet that said 5 teams were originally looking at Uribe, possibly 3 after the Gillespie/Ramirez trades. It follows that Hart took the best offer available in light of the shrinking market. It's possible that he could have gotten more if he waited everyone out, but it's more likely that he would have been left holding the bag (which, let's face the reality, was not exactly heavy).
I didn't expect KJ plus Uribe to bring back much of a haul, but I hope Hart would have taken a single B prospect over 2 C prospects if such a deal was available.
Best case scenario with these guys is one of them is used as a filler piece in a much larger future trade, or they are used to help acquire a rental at the 2016/2017 deadlines.
Best case scenario with these guys is one of them is used as a filler piece in a much larger future trade, or they are used to help acquire a rental at the 2016/2017 deadlines.