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I think they declined the offer, but yes, definitely a cause for concern.
No idea what was offered.
Value and Market Valuation: Freeman, Simmons and Heyward
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I think they declined the offer, but yes, definitely a cause for concern.
No idea what was offered.
I'd rather him be 2nd/3rd catcher and bench RH bat. He has been awful at LF and 1B in the field and adequate at catcher. If he was older and had more time, I would consider letting him get more reps at 1 position.
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
I dont get the criticism of Gattis in LF. However, IMO he is worth much more as a trade chip in the event McCann resigns with us.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
I agree that it's overstated, esp. considering how bad Justin Upton has been out there. Justin cost us two more runs yesterday, if that were Gattis we'd never hear the end of it. I didn't expect Justin to do so poorly defensively this year. He's been bad in both right and left field. Plus Justin throws to the wrong base a lot, overthrows the cut off man, etc. He's long been bad that way however (even in Arizona when he showed great range, etc). He's at -10 DRS (defensive runs saved) in the outfield thus far.
That said, Justin should improve in left with more time out there. Bottom line: Gattis and Justin Upton both have given us an OPS over .800 with the bat. So I'll take my chances with their defense given their potential with the bat. I know Gattis lacks in range but he also has a strong arm too. He's thrown out two runners at the plate. Plus he'd have a few more assists at second too if not for some dropped balls by Uggla.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
I expect so as far as getting to balls, but Justin is what he is as far as what he does with after that. He's always been one of the worst at throwing to the wrong base, etc. There was an ESPN article not long ago that covered his track record in that regard. Further, I wouldn't rule out Gattis improving in left either. But as long as he's going back and forth from left to catcher and sometimes first. Well, I'd expect that to make it tougher to be consistent. He's done better than I expected at it all things considered.
Any defensive metric for this year has Gattis being pretty bad. He has terrible range and poor routes. He does have a decent arm.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
Bottom line: Gattis hasn't cost us many runs out there thus far. Plus he's made up for whatever he has cost with his bat. He's similar to Josh Willingham who a lot around here wanted not long ago.
He's -5 in only 155 innings. UZR/150 is -16.2.
Willingham's worst is -13 in 1,027 innings and a UZR/150 of -12.7 (2013) He's also been a much better hitter.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
All things considered, that's not as bad as you make it out to be. But I am not surprised you still refuse to give Gattis the credit he deserves.
Credit for what? Am I supposed to say he's a good or average defender when he's not? Over the course of a full season, that's like 30-40 runs.
Offensively, I'm not a fan. (mainly low OBP). But, the power was great early on.
SeasonSplit BB% K% BB/K AVG OBP SLG OPS ISO BABIP wRC wRAA wOBA wRC+
2013 Mar/Apr 7.10% 22.60% 0.32 0.25 0.31 0.566 0.875 0.316 0.25 13.1 3.8 0.372 139
2013 May 4.30% 24.60% 0.18 0.317 0.362 0.683 1.045 0.365 0.341 14.3 6.7 0.437 184
2013 Jun 16.70% 16.70% 1 0.083 0.233 0.333 0.567 0.25 0 1.6 -1.8 0.239 47
2013 Jul 1.70% 20.70% 0.08 0.263 0.276 0.333 0.609 0.07 0.318 4.4 -2.1 0.269 67
2013 Aug 9.10% 4.50% 2 0.25 0.318 0.35 0.668 0.1 0.263 1.9 -0.6 0.28 76
Table not showing up good. OPS by month:
.875
1.015
.567
.609
.668
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
I was thinking of your overall comments about Gattis (including before the season) on up to today.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Gattis has an extremely small sample size in a position he's never played before.
I have a little bit of hope he can become decent out there.
But, but, but...he's going to hit 20+ HRs!!
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
?
He's a rookie first-year player with 15 homers and an .808 OPS.
He could definitely still be a valuable hitter.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Defensive Sample FTL!!!
Now and future:
Freeman>Simmons>Heyward
Even though J-Hey is the most talented of the bunch by far, I don't see him accepting a hometown discount, and that is part of the reason I am "ok" with letting him go. He is too inconsistent of a hitter for us to throw close to, if not over 100 million dollars at. Spend the money you would on Heyward and spend it on Justin Upton. He's likely the much better player offensive player over the next 5-10 yrs anyways. I would say it's next to impossible to keep both of them long term.
Freeman, I think, is going to one of those players who will get consistently underrated by most people around baseball due to his lack of power. I think we'll keep him around for awhile due to this.
Simmons is a player you don't try to extend for awhile. Lite hitting defensive specialists typically do not require much to attain. I think Simmons develops into a decent hitter, but not enough to make him a marquee player. We can wait on him for a 3-4 yrs before we have to worry about resigning him. Hopefully keep him around for something similar to what Bourn got this past off-season
I think we should be more worried about extending Minor or Teheran than anyone else honestly.
Freeman>Simmons>Heyward
Even though J-Hey is the most talented of the bunch by far, I don't see him accepting a hometown discount, and that is part of the reason I am "ok" with letting him go. He is too inconsistent of a hitter for us to throw close to, if not over 100 million dollars at. Spend the money you would on Heyward and spend it on Justin Upton. He's likely the much better player offensive player over the next 5-10 yrs anyways. I would say it's next to impossible to keep both of them long term.
Freeman, I think, is going to one of those players who will get consistently underrated by most people around baseball due to his lack of power. I think we'll keep him around for awhile due to this.
Simmons is a player you don't try to extend for awhile. Lite hitting defensive specialists typically do not require much to attain. I think Simmons develops into a decent hitter, but not enough to make him a marquee player. We can wait on him for a 3-4 yrs before we have to worry about resigning him. Hopefully keep him around for something similar to what Bourn got this past off-season
I think we should be more worried about extending Minor or Teheran than anyone else honestly.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Ladies and Gentlemen, Carpe
Or you could watch him play? Or ask Medlen?