Viz and Teheran listed as top trade candidates

[Enscheff]

If you want to draw parallels to the Hamels deal (where the Rangers also got pen help in Diekman) as Brian MacPherson did - http://www.providencejournal.com/sp...ould-be-blueprint-for-bostons-pitcher-pursuit - I'd argue that while Julio may not be quite the Pitcher Hamels is, their contracts make them a wash. Vizcaino is a better RP than Diekman. So if you use the blueprint from that trade, the Braves should expect a slightly better return than the Phillies got.

Philadelphia received Texas' #2 (Jake Thompson), #3 (Jorge Alfaro), and #5 (Nick Williams) prospects PLUS two other Top 30 pieces in Jerad Eickhoff and Alec Asher.

Boston's current #2 (Devers), #3 (Benintendi), #5 (Kopech) and extra pieces in Roniel Raudes and Austin Rei would be a similar package. Given the extra control the Sox would be getting over Julio and Arodys, I'd push for a "throw-in". A wildcard like Yoan Aybar.

If Dombrowski would go that far, I have to admit I'd be hard-pressed to say "yes". That's a fast-moving OF who could be ready next season, a power-hitting 3B who could be ready within a couple seasons, a couple more hard-throwers to add to the stable (one of which could be a replacement for Vizcaino soon), and another young C prospect, plus a lottery ticket Mallex-type CF with a 70-grade arm that you could try as a Pitcher if he can't hit. Again, I'm not particularly in favor of trading Teheran at all - but if we got that kind of haul for he and Vizcaino I'm not sure you could say "no".

Biggest difference is the Phils were about to start a rebuild, and the Braves are looking to end a rebuild.

With the lack of FA pitching options, and the stalling of top arms like Sims and Newcomb, I don't see any realistic scenario where the Braves trade Julio and end up being better in 2017, and maybe not even in 2018.

 

[Preacher]

If you want to draw parallels to the Hamels deal (where the Rangers also got pen help in Diekman) as Brian MacPherson did - http://www.providencejournal.com/sp...ould-be-blueprint-for-bostons-pitcher-pursuit - I'd argue that while Julio may not be quite the Pitcher Hamels is, their contracts make them a wash. Vizcaino is a better RP than Diekman. So if you use the blueprint from that trade, the Braves should expect a slightly better return than the Phillies got.

Philadelphia received Texas' #2 (Jake Thompson), #3 (Jorge Alfaro), and #5 (Nick Williams) prospects PLUS two other Top 30 pieces in Jerad Eickhoff and Alec Asher.

Boston's current #2 (Devers), #3 (Benintendi), #5 (Kopech) and extra pieces in Roniel Raudes and Austin Rei would be a similar package. Given the extra control the Sox would be getting over Julio and Arodys, I'd push for a "throw-in". A wildcard like Yoan Aybar.

If Dombrowski would go that far, I have to admit I'd be hard-pressed to say "yes". That's a fast-moving OF who could be ready next season, a power-hitting 3B who could be ready within a couple seasons, a couple more hard-throwers to add to the stable (one of which could be a replacement for Vizcaino soon), and another young C prospect, plus a lottery ticket Mallex-type CF with a 70-grade arm that you could try as a Pitcher if he can't hit. Again, I'm not particularly in favor of trading Teheran at all - but if we got that kind of haul for he and Vizcaino I'm not sure you could say "no".

good post; I think if it happens that's the type of return we are going to get.

I don't see any way BOS lets Moncada go; and they probably shouldn't.

We all love Julio, and most of us would take Moncada over him, imagine how Boston feels.

 

[KB21]

If situations were similar with the Red Sox, and we traded Heyward or Andruw for another Tim Hudson (aka JT), I think a lot of people would have been ok with that (assuming no other top prospects were involved). We traded Salty for Tex and most people were ok with that at the time (they didn't like the rest of the package we gave up).

The point on Pedroia is his career is winding down and it's unlikely he performs better than what he is now, and they are indeed feeling pressure to win now, being that's it's Ortiz's final season.

JS worked Billy Boy over on the Tim Hudson deal.

 

[clvclv]

Biggest difference is the Phils were about to start a rebuild, and the Braves are looking to end a rebuild.

With the lack of FA pitching options, and the stalling of top arms like Sims and Newcomb, I don't see any realistic scenario where the Braves trade Julio and end up being better in 2017, and maybe not even in 2018.

Not sure you can make that distinction. A rebuild is a rebuild. This team's still a long way from being competitive as it stands right now. Are they further away without Julio and Vizcaino? Sure. The thing is, if you can add that type of haul to the system, you'd still target the same players you're targeting now - Cespedes/Reddick/Desmond/Ramos/veteran arms for the rotation and pen/etc. - but you'd have landed better pieces than you'd hope to get if you surrendered 2nd and 3rd round picks to sign a couple of them.

There are a handful of players who'd be great fits for us in 2017 that haven't been mentioned on the board (much, if at all) yet - Michael Saunders, Mark Trumbo, Wieters, Jaime Garcia, Travis Wood (as a SP or Closer), Luke Hochevar, Greg Holland, and Mark Melancon to name several.

 

[KB21]

Not sure you can make that distinction. A rebuild is a rebuild. This team's still a long way from being competitive as it stands right now. Are they further away without Julio and Vizcaino? Sure. The thing is, if you can add that type of haul to the system, you'd still target the same players you're targeting now - Cespedes/Reddick/Desmond/Ramos/veteran arms for the rotation and pen/etc. - but you'd have landed better pieces than you'd hope to get if you surrendered 2nd and 3rd round picks to sign a couple of them.

There are a handful of players who'd be great fits for us in 2017 that haven't been mentioned on the board (much, if at all) yet - Michael Saunders, Mark Trumbo, Wieters, Jaime Garcia, Travis Wood (as a SP or Closer), Luke Hochevar, Greg Holland, and Mark Melancon to name several.

Who will not cost the team draft pick compensation? That's something that I think gets overlooked. The Braves, at this point, are not going to do anything that cuts down on the # of picks they will have available to them in the draft. In fact, Coppy hinted in his #AskCoppy session the other day that he was already working to add picks for next year. I think they would like to be in a position to have 4-5 picks in the first two rounds again so we can add 4 more young arms just to piss some off.

 

[Chico]

If we trade Julio it's going to impact our rotation negatively, therefore the return should impact our lineup positively in an equal manner or you pass.

 

[bravesfanMatt]

Who will not cost the team draft pick compensation? That's something that I think gets overlooked. The Braves, at this point, are not going to do anything that cuts down on the # of picks they will have available to them in the draft. In fact, Coppy hinted in his #AskCoppy session the other day that he was already working to add picks for next year. I think they would like to be in a position to have 4-5 picks in the first two rounds again so we can add 4 more young arms just to piss some off.

We need to see how the CBA shakes out before we answer this. No, Coppi won't sign someone that cost draft picks. I see him trading for picks like you said. I think he is wanting to compete next year.. but he is not so short sighted as to pass up a clear haul in prospects for a piece that will hurt his chances next year. I know he won't full on punt next year.. but if a team is ready to pony up for Viz and/or JT.. then I fully expect them to be gone.

 

[jcc03004]

Fix it that way, and I'm in. Don't think Theo and Jed are willing to move Baez though.

I'd definitely love to acquire Baez but have wanted to add Soler since the off season speculation began. Note of caution, remember how Huddy struggled most of his first 2 years, and Shanks and most others over there wanted to trade him for anything. Imagine if we did trade huddy instead of keeping him.

 

[jcc03004]

Who will not cost the team draft pick compensation? That's something that I think gets overlooked. The Braves, at this point, are not going to do anything that cuts down on the # of picks they will have available to them in the draft. In fact, Coppy hinted in his #AskCoppy session the other day that he was already working to add picks for next year. I think they would like to be in a position to have 4-5 picks in the first two rounds again so we can add 4 more young arms just to piss some off.

Isn't wood a soft tossing lefty? Not sure I want him as closer over our other options simmons ect,,,

 

[sturg33]

JS worked Billy Boy over on the Tim Hudson deal.

Your equal love for our FO and hatred for Beane is staggering

 

[chop2chip]

Yeah. It's just a coincidence that the "changes" happened around the same time Frank ran off a strong director of player development and gave the title to his hand picked guy Bruce Manno.

Oh so it wasn't the Wren's decision (solely).

When I run for president, I want you to run my campaign. You can twist and turn anything to make someone look good by making others look bad.

 

[chop2chip]

JS worked Billy Boy over on the Tim Hudson deal.

I blame the Braves player development for Dan Meyer plateauing as a Brave.

 

[clvclv]

Isn't wood a soft tossing lefty? Not sure I want him as closer over our other options simmons ect,,,

He is - meant as a rotation option while the kids develop - my bad. Just one of several names that haven't been discussed - yet.

 

[smootness]

How many would take Devers/Benintendi over just Moncada? I'd personally probably still take Moncada by himself than both of those two. But I agree with those who think it's unlikely the Red Sox are willing to give him up.

 

[bravos4evr]

How many would take Devers/Benintendi over just Moncada? I'd personally probably still take Moncada by himself than both of those two. But I agree with those who think it's unlikely the Red Sox are willing to give him up.

I am not as high in Benintendi as others, but I like Devers a lot, I'd almost take Devers/Espinoza over Moncada tho....... almost

 

[clvclv]

Who will not cost the team draft pick compensation? That's something that I think gets overlooked. The Braves, at this point, are not going to do anything that cuts down on the # of picks they will have available to them in the draft. In fact, Coppy hinted in his #AskCoppy session the other day that he was already working to add picks for next year. I think they would like to be in a position to have 4-5 picks in the first two rounds again so we can add 4 more young arms just to piss some off.

To begin with, we have no idea what's going to happen with the QO when collective bargaining happens. However, my point was that even if it stays the same and we signed 2 QO free-agents and lost 2nd and 3rd rounders and broke the trade down as Devers and Benintendi for Julio and Vizcaino, the combination of Kopech, Raudes, Rei, and Aybar would be far better than the players likely to be available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds next June.

 

[Russ2dollas]

the more I look at it the more I think we'd need 1 of Devers/Moncada and Bentinindi. I just don't see the sox doing that. And that is why I was thinking it would be tehran, viz and Panda's deal. But to do all of that you probably need to empty the sox farm of everyone except the sox's choice of Devers/Moncada.

the thing is, the sox could do that. they have the money to buy international guys the next year to replenish. they have the FA money, especially if Panda is gone.

sorry for the spelling, etc...banged it out real fast on phone

 

[dak]

Viz hasn't even gotten to the point where he is arbitration eligible yet. There is still quite a bit of control left, particularly if you want to buy out his arbitration years.

Arodys qualified for Super Two status and was arbitration eligible this past season. He has three more year's of arbitration eligibility remaining to build off his current salary of around $900k.

 

[clvclv]

the more I look at it the more I think we'd need 1 of Devers/Moncada and Bentinindi. I just don't see the sox doing that. And that is why I was thinking it would be tehran, viz and Panda's deal. But to do all of that you probably need to empty the sox farm of everyone except the sox's choice of Devers/Moncada.

the thing is, the sox could do that. they have the money to buy international guys the next year to replenish. they have the FA money, especially if Panda is gone.

sorry for the spelling, etc...banged it out real fast on phone

I hate anyone saying "never", but there's absolutely no way the Braves take on Panda's contract - absolutely no chance IMO.

 

[bravos4evr]

I hate anyone saying "never", but there's absolutely no way the Braves take on Panda's contract - absolutely no chance IMO.

really? I mean, I agree that there is a tiny chance it happens, but if taking on his deal is what got us that extra good prospect, it might be worth it. (depending on how much $$$ we took on of course)