On what planet would the Braves "need" to take on that awful contract? The Red Sox need Vizcaino and Teheran far worse than the Braves need to trade either. If a similar return to what the Phillies got for Hamels and Diekman nets you Boston's #2, #3, #5, and a couple of other Top 30 prospects, it'd be beyond foolish to take on that contract - the money paid for it would offset any slight prospect upgrade you'd get. They're not going to completely gut their system for Julio and Arodys, no matter how much we'd love them to.
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On what planet would the Braves "need" to take on that awful contract? The Red Sox need Vizcaino and Teheran far worse than the Braves need to trade either. If a similar return to what the Phillies got for Hamels and Diekman nets you Boston's #2, #3, #5, and a couple of other Top 30 prospects, it'd be beyond foolish to take on that contract - the money paid for it would offset any slight prospect upgrade you'd get. They're not going to completely gut their system for Julio and Arodys, no matter how much we'd love them to.
Like I said in my previous post, I definitely think that's what we should be asking for in trade, but if I was Boston I wouldn't do that myself. Also, Moncada is a pretty big step up as a prospect over Gallo and Bregman. Not really a straight comparison, Gallo in particular.
IslandBrave
Mashin' to Mississippi
Going into the season Moncada was #5 and Gallo #7. Bregman was #18
bravos4evr
Still Playing the Waiting Game
I didn't say "need" so don't know what yer quoting there, I just said there is a tiny chance some blockbuster could form where the braves agreed to take on Panda, that's it.(and i said it "might" be worth it.) oddly constructed deals happen every once in awhile. and I agree we wouldn't "need" or much "want" to do that, but if some deal worked out that way I wouldn't be surprised or anything by it. especially if it included Markakis.
Depends on which list you are looking at, Bregman was 40ish on some, and Moncada was #3.
Regardless, Moncada is a true 5 tool guy, and is currently the #1 prospect in baseball once the midseason updates come out (Giolito would be his only real competition, and he just got brought up). The only question with Moncada is how much power he winds up hitting for. Worst case scenario for Moncada is he is a solid major league regular for a majority of his career.
Bregman might have similar upside offensively as Moncada in a best case scenario (but even that is questionable), but he is nowhere close to Moncada in terms of defense and speed. Bregman has about the same value as Benintendi.
Gallo on the other hand is about as high risk/high reward as you can get. If everything works out he is a 40 HR .900+ OPS guy playing average to slightly below average 3B. But he has equally as much chance of never hitting enough to even be a starter in the majors, his contact skills are severely lacking. If we are trading Julio I want far more than a sure thing than Gallo. And given Gallo is currently hitting .250ish and on pace for about 240 Ks in 600 ABs at AAA I don't like his odds.
Orphan Black
Approaching Buddy Hernandez Territory
I don't think Gallo will ever be able to hit major league pitching well enough to stick around.
Hudson2
Well-known member
Boston needs pitching and the only guy available happens to be one of the best pitchers this year that's under team control for the next 4 years dirt cheap. That has a ton of value. Coppy held out for Swanson who was a top 10 prospect in baseball plus 2 others. Boston feels pressure to win every year and especially with Ortiz retiring. They are playing a game of chicken with Coppy hoping he gives in and he won't...bc he has all the leverage.
KB21
Where's My Cup of Coffee?
The strike out rate is a big concern, but he may also lack a position in the field. I don't think I would do a Teheran for Gallo deal.
cajunrevenge
Well-known member
I think he will need the right situation. If I was the Rockies I would be all over him.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
Boston pitching getting crushed again. They might not do a deal just because they won't be in it by the deadline.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
Nah they'll still be in it.
But dont see them going very far their current staff.
Another case of you arguing semantics. The Braves - of all teams - would be beyond stupid to take on the $58 million plus owed to take on Panda's contract. The potential difference in "settling" for Devers and Benintendi and allowing Boston to keep Moncada couldn't possibly reach that value.
Anyone who takes on his contract has to be beyond desperate - the Sox are the desperate team here, not Atlanta. Moncada instead of one of those guys isn't going to make the Braves that much more competitive any sooner.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
Dave, Frank, you want the pennant? Here it is. It'll cost ya your top two.
Oklahomabrave
Anytime Now Frankie...
I'd let them keep Moncada and take the rest of the top talent. Benintendi, Swihart, Espinoza.
chop2chip
Well-known member
I would take that too
KB21
Where's My Cup of Coffee?
Without Moncada, it would have to be Devers/Benintendi/Swihart/Espinoza, and if they want Viz, they will have to throw in Chavis and Kopech. Frank Wren is great at depleting a farm system, so there is hope.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
With the trea turner rule they could trade some of their draft picks from this year too, correct?
I still think giving up Devers, Moncada will be hard to swallow. So if they do they go blockbuster. Tehran isn't a name like Jose Fernandez. So they go Viz + Tehran and dump Panda. I know you all say no way, still saying it. I think we might be able to dump HO to balance it out.
What about Tehran + Viz + HO + Jenkins for Benintendi + Swihart + Groome + Chavis + panda
sturg33
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That package would probably land them Jose Fernandez... I don't see anyway they give it up for Teheran
Would come pretty close IMO.