Viz and Teheran listed as top trade candidates

Enscheff said:
It all hinges on competing next year. You assume the Braves can't be good next year, but many disagree. They have the resources to address 3B, LF and C this offseason, while Swanson and Albies can take over SS and 2B. Revamping 60% of the starting lineup has a way of making a team markedly better.

Folks need to get it out of their heads that this team is somehow going to go from 90 losses to WC contention in one offseason if they just time everything exactly right. With some competent moves to fix 3B, LF and C, this team can win 80 games next year. Then with a few more moves after 2017 they can be an 85+ win team. At some point they have to start getting better, and that won't happen next year by trading Teheran.
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People assume that Swanson and Albies are going to come up and immediately fix our middle infield - many prospect, even elite ones take some time to adjust to the majors -- and some never do.

Considering both are in AA right now and that Albies struggled some in AAA and Dansby had a poor month in AA; they probably aren't difference makers next year. Love both of them, but we shouldn't be counting on a 20 year-old Ozzie Albies to come up and hit .300 for us.

Then you still need to find answers at C, 3B, OF without sabotaging the long-term outlook in a weak FA market, and you still need to see improvement from Wisler/Folty/Blair/Gant types --- bottom line the overhaul this off-season would have to be massive to actually be a competing team next year.

Its not impossible, but it seems pie in the sky to think this team gets that much better when most of our building blocks are in AA or below.
 
Not eager to trade the only established SP we have. even if some of the guys we've acquired become good, they're not likely to do so next year, or maybe even the year after considering how young SPs can struggle. durable, 200-inning pitchers don't grow on trees. they certainly aren't available for Teheran's current price tag. if you deal him you need a crazy haul.
 
I wonder how the Dodgers are going to behave this trade deadline. They have been riddled with pitching injuries and they can't rely on Big U to carry this team. I assume they could be interested in Bud Norris as well.. a cheaper option that could translate to BP later in the year. I guess I could have put this in the Bud thread..
 
Bostons pitching struggled again last night as they lost. They will no doubt be after a top starter come the deadline. They are just posturing right now in hopes the price tag comes down and that maybe Teheran has a bad outing or 2 so they can get him cheaper.
 
wonder if Boston is trying to go after Sale with the Soxs.. I don't know why the whitesox would trade Sale, but I also don't know their minor league system and depth... They might also want to see if Gray starts to turn it around. Grays last 5 games have been better.. 3.23 ERA in 30+innings.. If they can pit JT and Gray against each other then they can drive the price down.. however, Texas/Pit/Dodgers could put a wrinkle in this.
 
Pugfan said:
no he's right. The rotation would be a bunch of unproven young pitchers. Wisler, Folty, Gant, Newcomb & Perez. That rotation has the look of a 100 loss team to me.
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Adding JT to a 100 loss rotation only makes it an 85-90 loss rotation. sorry, I would rather have promising prospects with 100 losses, then still no hitting and 85 losses.
 
Pugfan said:
no he's right. The rotation would be a bunch of unproven young pitchers. Wisler, Folty, Gant, Newcomb & Perez. That rotation has the look of a 100 loss team to me.
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So without Teheran we are a 100 loss team? Whats that make with him? A 95 loss team? You're MAKING my point!!

*BravesfanMatt always beats me to my point lol
 
Preacher said:
So without Teheran we are a 100 loss team? Whats that make with him? A 95 loss team? You're MAKING my point!!

*BravesfanMatt always beats me to my point lol
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So you want to have a really bad rotation? Baseball is 70% pitching. Look at all the the teams in first place. They all have good pitching.
 
Pugfan said:
So you want to have a really bad rotation? Baseball is 70% pitching. Look at all the the teams in first place. They all have good pitching.
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So with Teheran we have good pitching and without we don't? And since that's 70% of baseball we should just keep him?

Seems simple to me, not sure what I was thinking.
 
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What would be the point of trading him? So we can have a team era of 4.75? I care way more about pitching than hitting. Sorry.
 
Pugfan said:
What would be the point of trading him? So we can have a team era of 4.75? I care way more about pitching than hitting. Sorry.
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The point of trading him would be to acquire several pieces that would both be cheaper and under team control for longer while also potentially addressing our biggest weakness (offense) while simultaneously moving Teheran at the peak of his value.
 
Pugfan said:
What would be the point of trading him? So we can have a team era of 4.75? I care way more about pitching than hitting. Sorry.
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I think you are talking in circles..

you can't say you care more about pitching and then also say that OUR pitching is terrible. Julio is 1/5 of our staff and if our current staff is 100 losses, then JT is not going to move the needle enough to make a difference. So you are happy with keeping JT and wining 70 to 75 games and have no offensive pieces to build on while our young pitching develops. Or would you rather win 60 - 65 games without JT but have young pitching and young hitting to build upon?!?
 
Look, plain and simple, Julio had got to go.

You don't give him away by any means, but there is no reason to have him on this team.

Same goes for Viz.

Julio would be the best or one of the top 2 pitchers available, plenty of teams would be calling and that drives the price up.

Viz will be the best RP available (as long as the Yankees don't sell).

We can and should sell both of them and continue the rebuild.
 
Keeping Julio and not drastically improving the offense for next season is pointless.

There are 2 courses of action:

1. Keep Julio and improve the offense for next year by signing guys like Desmond (3B), Cespedes (LF) and Castro (C). If the team is not willing to commit to fully retooling the position players of the MLB club, then they need to go to the next option....

2. Give up on 2017, and trade Julio for guys that will be ready around the same time the young pitching in the organization will be ready to anchor the staff (2018 and later). This means guys like Moncada and Bregman are the targets.

Trying to walk some in-between path where they waste Teheran's surplus value by not improving the offense around him would be the the worst possible decision, and is exactly how teams end up in long term mediocrity.
 
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