Viz and Teheran listed as top trade candidates

smootness said:
Well obviously the formula includes more than just ERA, but that's the primary distinguishing factor between it and Fangraphs' version.
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Sorry, guess I should have been more specific. I knew the FIP for FG part and knew BR was more ERA oriented, just trying to figure out what I was missing on the rest of it with BR WAR. Thanks to you and chop for trying to clear the fog for me though.
 
auyushu said:
Sorry, guess I should have been more specific. I knew the FIP for FG part and knew BR was more ERA oriented, just trying to figure out what I was missing on the rest of it with BR WAR. Thanks to you and chop for trying to clear the fog for me though.
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It's there any number about Teheran you find ok? We get it. You don't think he's worth much.
 
Deester11 said:
It's there any number about Teheran you find ok? We get it. You don't think he's worth much.
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I've never said or implied that ever, I think we should either get a package including a top 20-30 hitting prospect like Benintendi or Bregman for him, or we keep him because of his value. Simply because someone doesn't think Julio will net us the best prospect in baseball in Moncada doesn't mean I don't think he's an excellent player. I actually think Julio is a top 35 player this year for sure, Perry's list is simply silly because it has no consistency or logic to it.

I actually was more asking about the differences between the two WAR more because I found the WAR Julio had on FG crazy low.
 
bravos4evr said:
Cespedes- 5 years $125m (pay him, front load his deal a bit to even out the value) Desmond would be a decent buy here at 4 $72m but I wouldn't want to go over that

Ramos/Castro/Wieters (please not weiters)- Ramos might get re-signed by the Nats but Castro at 3 $36 m wouldn't be a bad pickup

Prado- homecoming... give him 2 year $16m with a team option

$45m AAV to the club, still well within budget, adding 8+ WAR per year for the first 2 years is good value and by the time we have to decide on Prado's option, we will know if Riley or whoever is ready for 3b.

as far as the draft compensation is concerned, who cares? the team kinda needs to send a msg to the casual fanbase that they are going to make the addition needed to win. so, a protected first rd pick makes up for the loss of a 2nd. rounder
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MLBTR just updated their FA power rankings and predict Ces to get a 6 year deal "way over $100M". If the bidding goes into the 6/150 range I hope the Braves avoid him.

They predict Desmond to get 4/60, and I think he would be a very good addition at that price. He has been solid in the OF, and he should be able to play 3B if needed as well.
 
Enscheff said:
MLBTR just updated their FA power rankings and predict Ces to get a 6 year deal "way over $100M". If the bidding goes into the 6/150 range I hope the Braves avoid him.

They predict Desmond to get 4/60, and I think he would be a very good addition at that price. He has been solid in the OF, and he should be able to play 3B if needed as well.
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Way too expensive for Cespy... I like Desmond as well. he is more versatile in case we have guy like D. Peterson/Rio/HO start playing well... Desmond could move to different positions for us.
 
yeezus said:
I'd be surprised if Desmond only gets $15M/yr. I see it being closer to 18.
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They said 4/60+, and I have seen predictions he could match Gordon's 4/72 contract...which is the 18 per you suggest.

I still think that is a contract the Braves should strongly consider.
 
yeezus said:
I'd be surprised if Desmond only gets $15M/yr. I see it being closer to 18.
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Yeah there's no way he only gets $15M/yr if Cespedes is getting $22+. If he keeps up his current pace for the whole season, I would expect him to get as much as Alex Gordon got this past year, if not more.
 
Shin-Soo Choo got 7/130 three off-seasons ago. I think we're looking at a 5 or 6 year deal for Desmond with an AAV of around 20M.

For Cespedes, I would think 5-6 years at an AAV of about 25M.

With those sorts of deals the risk is more the years than the AAV.
 
West Coast Wreck: Including Inciarte would allow the Redsox to depart with Benintendi + Swihart + 1other guy to snag Teheran as well.

Dave Cameron: Well, yes, they could lose their minds and make a disastrous trade like that, but they won’t.
 
CJ9 said:
West Coast Wreck: Including Inciarte would allow the Redsox to depart with Benintendi + Swihart + 1other guy to snag Teheran as well.

Dave Cameron: Well, yes, they could lose their minds and make a disastrous trade like that, but they won’t.
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We get it Dave. You don't like our boy, but we have reason to believe lots of other GM's that matter do.

:Bowman:
 
CJ9 said:
West Coast Wreck: Including Inciarte would allow the Redsox to depart with Benintendi + Swihart + 1other guy to snag Teheran as well.

Dave Cameron: Well, yes, they could lose their minds and make a disastrous trade like that, but they won’t.
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I really do not want to deal with the Red Sox. They've had a history of overvaluing their prospects, and now that they've hit on a couple, it's going to be worse.

I do wonder if Inciarte may be included in a deal before the deadline.
 
I was reading FG's this am and they were campaigning for the SAWX to pick up a slugger along with pitching upgrades, but opted for promoting Benintendi. The projections love him apparently.
 
CJ9 said:
West Coast Wreck: Including Inciarte would allow the Redsox to depart with Benintendi + Swihart + 1other guy to snag Teheran as well.

Dave Cameron: Well, yes, they could lose their minds and make a disastrous trade like that, but they won’t.
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Its absurd that he thinks that would be a disastrous trade for the RedSox.
 
This is where some of these guys begin to believe too much in their projections. I enjoy Fangraphs and advanced analytics as much as anyone, but at some point you have to understand that these are prospects and anything is possible with them. If the projections end up being accurate, then maybe Benintendi for Teheran ends up being unequal value. But we still don't know what Benintendi will be, and that affects his value. And the Red Sox are looking for answers right now.

'Old school' baseball ideas, like giving up future value for potentially lesser current value, still have a place. Teheran/Inciarte for Benintendi/Swihart/Prospect C is not bad value. It just isn't.
 
striker42 said:
Unless that one other guy is Moncada, I don't do that trade as a Brave. That guy is insane if he thinks that disastrous for the Sox.
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I love Fangraphs and am not nearly as high on Teheran as a lot of the folks on this board, but lately it's felt like several of the writers over there really hate Teheran. It may just be that they're tired of a Teheran/Red Sox trade question comes up every time they do a chat, but I feel like they're as negative about him as some Braves fans are positive.
 
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