zbhargrove
Well-known member
Lose him in the rule 5 draft, only for him to make another team?
Vizcaino suspended 80 games
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Lose him in the rule 5 draft, only for him to make another team?
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
Viz situation isn't like Graham's because Viz is already on the 40-man roster. We could've protected Graham by simply adding him to the 40-man. The issue with Viz is that all of this missed time is effecting his development along with him being out of options next season (so ready or not he'd need to be carried on the 25-man roster or waived).
That said, Viz situation could end up like Graham's in that we could lose him for nothing next year.
zbhargrove
Well-known member
Sorry, it was more a poor attempt at a joke.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
I see what you did there.
Or better yet an average player making league minimum. That does have value.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Let me finish that for you. As soon as we traded him, he became a steaming sack of garbage and Vizcaino became the second coming of Lee Smith.
Might well be. Getting hard to follow which way the wind blows.
JohnAdcox
Brian Jordan's New BFF
This. Exactly this.
No, not exactly this and we're not talking about somebody fantasy league team either. The Hype Machine for La Stella had started before anybody else here even seen him play. Had nothing to do with his salary. The only other member, who was interested in Gosselin at the AAA level, was 50PoundHead. Gosselin isn't exactly costing a king's ransom.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
Some people actually watch players in the minors. You know, that place where Stella! played 280+ games and hit over .320 and got on base at about a .400 clip.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
They do play games in the minors. They compile stats for those games, too. There are a ton of West Coast AL players that I've never seen play, but I trust myself to make an educated guess about whether or not they're good based on their stats.
I think it's fair to say that the consensus opinion was that La Stella could be a reasonable big-league regular. Since he's apparently cracked the Cubs' lineup—on a team much deeper at 2B/3B than the Braves—the Hype Machine wasn't too far off, huh?
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
You care to talk about what Gosselin did the previous 3 years in the minors?
Did you go check him out? Or was it just "follow the crowd" after the hype started. OTOH, if you were "in the know," you could've alerted everybody when he was in A ball.
Did you see me claim that La Stella couldn't be a "reasonable big leaguer regular" at any point? Indeed, my first hand account of him was generally positive. Now, for those who post with excessive fanboy-ism, man-crushes or give a rat's about what "Talking Chop" thinks, they should expect to be sources of scorn & ridicule. See the difference?
You can spare me the lecture about reading AAA stats. (It's gotten pounded enough into everybody's heads, by enough other posters, since the early days of Scout.) A trained monkey can read Fangraphs, and pretend that he's an "expert" on projecting future major league talent. At least that trained monkey would admit that Utley Lite wasn't really going to achieve 1.000 OPS, as opposed to crying that Prado "stood in the way" or Cox "never had confidence in young players."
Nope, I care about what he's going to do now and in the future. Hopefully, he'll do well and help the team in whatever role.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
There's a saying, something like those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. Something like that.
Why is there hatred towards LaStella now? Was it that unreasonable for people to get excited and want a league average 2B after watching Uggla? News to those that are unaware. Had the Braves had league average production out of CF and 2B the past two seasons Wren is likely still the GM and the Braves outlook is most certainly better than it is right now.