Vizcaino trade market?

Here's my thinking, closer is one of those spots you fill when you have a good team, you don't hold onto them waiting to put a good team around them.
 
Yep, way I described it is, when you have a small business, the best floor mopper in the world is overkill, when your business grows and you have a nice marble showroom, then you need to spend for a guy who mops at an elite level, just having a regular guy who can mop floors will usually do.
 
How does a decent major league catcher fit into this analogy.
bravos4evr said:
Yep, way I described it is, when you have a small business, the best floor mopper in the world is overkill, when your business grows and you have a nice marble showroom, then you need to spend for a guy who mops at an elite level, just having a regular guy who can mop floors will usually do.
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My thoughts on this echo a lot of yours. A good closer on a rebuilding/bad team is just wasted value. If we could get a Giles level deal, or combo Viz with other assets to get even more, that's worth it. Also, one thing to think about: the one area of FA that actually isn't terrible this offseason is relief pitching, and we could make a splash with some of our supposed expanded payroll to go after one of them (Melancon, Jansen, hell even Chapman).
 
Preacher said:
I don't think we will be this bad next year either, but I also don't think we are a playoff team next year.
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That's hard to say being that we don't know what improvements the FO has planned. If the team stays as is, and the only improvements we see are Swanson and Albies, then may be you're right.
 
Trying to fill a closer after building a good team is how you end up with Reitsma closing. The plan is to compete in 2017 and we need a good closer. Even if Simmons can close we still need to fill out the rest of the pen with good relievers too.
 
cajunrevenge said:
Trying to fill a closer after building a good team is how you end up with Reitsma closing. The plan is to compete in 2017 and we need a good closer. Even if Simmons can close we still need to fill out the rest of the pen with good relievers too.
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We have way too many holes and the best young players may not even reach the majors this year, we are also in a division with two good and youngish teams in the Mets and Nats.

Just my opinion, but we aren't competing for a playoff spot in 2017. Not without a miracle offseason AND the young players hitting immediately when promoted.

Im not even a pessimistic guy, but we are historically bad at the major league level right now, that's not changing in one season.
 
Preacher said:
We have way too many holes and the best young players may not even reach the majors this year, we are also in a division with two good and youngish teams in the Mets and Nats.

Just my opinion, but we aren't competing for a playoff spot in 2017. Not without a miracle offseason AND the young players hitting immediately when promoted.

Im not even a pessimistic guy, but we are historically bad at the major league level right now, that's not changing in one season.
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We have prospects in the high minors at every position of need.
 
cajunrevenge said:
We have prospects in the high minors at every position of need.
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We do?

And even if that were the case, people just assume that as soon as guys like Albies/Swanson come up they are going to hit like all-stars. It might take them a little while.

I tend to think despite what the FO may say; 2018 is the OPTIMISTIC start of our window.
 
cajunrevenge said:
We have prospects in the high minors at every position of need.
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Decent rh bats? I think Swanson is the only one. We need 3 on the mlb team. Albies is a switch but no power.

Power?

I don't believe in Ruiz at 3b. I like Peterson but neutral parties don't seem to even consider him as a prospect.

Still don't have a dominant sp. the guys with that stuff have big questions
 
Viz trade proposals

Giants Susac and Suarez
Dodgers T Thompson
Pirates McGuire and Brault (lefty near mlb ready projects as #4/5
Seattle Zunino and Oneal

Thoughts?
 
Theduke81 said:
Viz trade proposals

Giants Susac and Suarez
Dodgers T Thompson
Pirates McGuire and Brault (lefty near mlb ready projects as #4/5
Seattle Zunino and Oneal

Thoughts?
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I don't think we need any more 4/5 SPs.

I want a power bat. Ideally RH and playing at AA or higher. Or a catcher that does not suck.
 
auyushu said:
Yeah, that's a trade that is intriguing and could work for both sides.
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I would try to up it a bit and have them throw Dylan Thompson in the deal. I think Zunino/O'neil for Viz is a fair trade... but I want a win if at all possible. Never hurts to get another pitcher..

I also think if this is the FO thinking, it might change how they draft. I would hate to be in coppi's shoes. I want Lewis and Groome, but if I made a deal like that, I would probably lean more Groome and try to over slot a bat at #40.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I would try to up it a bit and have them throw Dylan Thompson in the deal. I think Zunino/O'neil for Viz is a fair trade... but I want a win if at all possible. Never hurts to get another pitcher..

I also think if this is the FO thinking, it might change how they draft. I would hate to be in coppi's shoes. I want Lewis and Groome, but if I made a deal like that, I would probably lean more Groome and try to over slot a bat at #40.
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Yeah, but a win-win is as good as you're going to get from Jerry DiPoto. Talk about a guy who had a vision and executed it flawlessly and quickly. His concept instituted throughout the organization was "control the zone." Guys who throw strikes. Guys who swing at strikes. Speed players. Defenders.

It was very impressive. He left their strong core intact and completely remade the ancillary roster. His platoons (Seth Smith and Gutierrez, Lind and Dae Ho Lee) are extraordinarily productive. His bullpen is deep and versatile. He bought low on Leonys Martin and Chris Ianetta.

If Coppalella would like to learn about the next phase of his job, he could do worse than studying DiPoto.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Yeah, but a win-win is as good as you're going to get from Jerry DiPoto. Talk about a guy who had a vision and executed it flawlessly and quickly. His concept instituted throughout the organization was "control the zone." Guys who throw strikes. Guys who swing at strikes. Speed players. Defenders.

It was very impressive. He left their strong core intact and completely remade the ancillary roster. His platoons (Seth Smith and Gutierrez, Lind and Dae Ho Lee) are extraordinarily productive. His bullpen is deep and versatile. He bought low on Leonys Martin and Chris Ianetta.

If Coppalella would like to learn about the next phase of his job, he could do worse than studying DiPoto.
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I don't know Seattle for squat.. but everything I have read, is that they really need a consistent closer.. They could move cishek to the 8inning role and Viz to the closer role and literally run away with the west. We could also let them know that Texas is interested in Viz and started out with a very intriguing offer.
 
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