WAR

[chipchildress]

RK PLAYER TEAM GP GS IP H R ER BB SO W L SV BLSV WAR WHIP ERA
19 Rex Brothers COL 59 0 55.2 37 9 9 27 60 2 0 13 1 3.0 1.15 1.46
22 Craig Kimbrel ATL 53 0 52.2 31 6 6 17 78 2 2 41 3 2.9 0.91 1.03

 

[nsacpi]

pitching environment?

 

[sturg33]

More innings too

 

[yeezus]

who's WAR are you using? Fangraphs has Brothers at 1 and Kimbrel at 1.8.

 

[yeezus]

Ooooh ESPN, there's your problem.

 

[Carp]

Fangraphs WAR isn't any better. And WAR for relief pitchers (for any website) is likely the most unuseful stat in the history of stats.

 

[zitothebrave]

Fangraphs WAR isn't any better. And WAR for relief pitchers (for any website) is likely the most unuseful stat in the history of stats.

 

[weso1]

I think it's because Rex brothers are two people. You have to divide by two.

 

[Carp]

He's pitched in exactly 52 innings. But WAR would try to tell to you that he's been worth the same or more than Teheran, who has 3 times as many innings pitched and top 15 in the NL in ERA and ERA+

It's worthless for relief pitchers in every sense of the word. No one actually believes that Kimbrell has been worth the same or more than Teheran.

 

[thewupk]

He's pitched in exactly 52 innings. But WAR would try to tell to you that he's been worth the same or more than Teheran, who has 3 times as many innings pitched and top 15 in the NL in ERA and ERA+

It's worthless for relief pitchers in every sense of the word. No one actually believes that Kimbrell has been worth the same or more than Teheran.

Tell that to all the people who vote for dominant closers in the cy young voting

 

[Carp]

Tell that to all the people who vote for dominant closers in the cy young voting

I would if they'd listen, but it's the same guys who vote for guys like Russ Ortiz for Cy Young b/c he has the most wins.

 

[zitothebrave]

He's pitched in exactly 52 innings. But WAR would try to tell to you that he's been worth the same or more than Teheran, who has 3 times as many innings pitched and top 15 in the NL in ERA and ERA+

It's worthless for relief pitchers in every sense of the word. No one actually believes that Kimbrell has been worth the same or more than Teheran.

50 IP of 1 ERA vs 150 of 3 ERA. Sounds about right.

 

[Braves1976]

It seems Carp undervalues what Kimbrel has accomplished this year.

 

[zitothebrave]

It seems Carp undervalues what Kimbrel has accomplished this year.

He just regularly has issues with valuation.

 

[Julio3000]

Same old ****. Brothers gotta work twice as hard to get any respect.

 

[Carp]

50 IP of 1 ERA vs 150 of 3 ERA. Sounds about right.

Only in Zito fantasy land.

 

[zitothebrave]

Only in Zito fantasy land.

So sad that you can't grasp simple concepts of run prevention.

 

[Carp]

It seems Carp undervalues what Kimbrel has accomplished this year.

I do not. The point I'm making is that even the best relief pitchers are nowhere near as valuable as a top starter. There is a direct proportion from a quality start to a team win. Teams win on average almost 70% of games in which a quality start occurs.

All Zeets cares about is strikeouts.

 

[zitothebrave]

I do not. The point I'm making is that even the best relief pitchers are nowhere near as valuable as a top starter. There is a direct proportion from a quality start to a team win. Teams win on average almost 70% of games in which a quality start occurs.

All Zeets cares about is strikeouts.

The best reliever doesn't have as much value as a top starter. But Julio isn't a top starter.

 

[Carp]

So sad that you can't grasp simple concepts of run prevention.

No what's sad is that you actually buy into every single obscure stat you find.