yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Oh damn you said Chris Johnson and I thought you meant our one and only BABIP.
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Oh damn you said Chris Johnson and I thought you meant our one and only BABIP.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Yeah I should have clarified. But Carpe knew what I was talking bout
Lists evidence that says WAR is inconsistent, then says he wants research proving otherwise.... LULZ
As far as AP and CJ, I said that when CJ was the best RB in the league, and the results showed it. I used to say Pujols was the best hitter in the league when he was producing too. Shocker.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Results didn't show that then if you actually knew what you were talking about. Johnson had 1 amazing year then a bunch of good or bad ones depending on how many times he broke a big run or not. Face it I was massivvely right you were massively wrong. It's ok, it happens a lot when we debate.
At the time I said that, he had the most yards in the league since he came into the league and had yet to have a down yr.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
At the time you said that the sample was skewed by a 2000 yard season. I clearly pointed out that if you eliminated Johnson's homerun carries, he lost an insane amount of yards. He benefitted from a good run blocking OL, something AP didn't have. I forget which stat I cited but I believe it was number of times the back was hit in the backfield and Johnson was near the bottom but AP was near the top.
"War! huh! (Good God, Y'all) What is it good for?"---Edwin Starr.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
The which you should use is your choice. This year BR and fangraphs closed their gap by using the same replacement level gap. For which one to use it depends on what you value more, for offensive value essentially fg uses wRAA + UBR in br they use wRAA with a few twists (most which don't make a difference in today's life) their own version of baserunning, and ground into double play stat. For defense fg uses UZR br uses DRS. So basically they have similar offensive values but the difference is if you like UZR or DRS. For example, Simmons has a 3.8 fWAR but a 5.4 rWAR. Because of the difference in his DRS vs UZR. So to determine which of those 2 you like better you have to decide which fielding metric you like better. For pitching they vary greatly. Basically you would decided which stat you like better ERA or FIP. Personally since we roll defensive stats into the positive or negative I prefer FIP, Bref's version is improving but to me there are too many sliding factors involved. They try to take ERA then try to apply a defensive slider for it, which to me is one too many moving parts. They'll get there when they have a more clean way of adjusting for balls in play. Personally I'm hoping FG makes the switch to doing SIERA for their WAR as I think it's a more accurate measurement than FIP though it does need some fine tuning.
And I could be wrong, but I believe ESPN uses bref's WAR
chopdrew
Lynchburg Prospect
Nearly every one of you people skimmed right past this post. This is tremendous. I'd like it 18 times if I could.