Yeah - like I said, not picking on you at all. Just shows that we're all FANS, and that needs to be recognized more often. None of us (that I'm aware of) are "insiders" or necessarily have some special knowledge about "The Plan" or players that others here don't. We're all quick to make snap judgements and stick our feet in our mouths from time-to-time. Just an example to point out that we have to be more patient most of the time and let things play themselves out before trashing the brass - they didn't get their jobs because they're idiots. Will they make mistakes? Sure. Just not because they have the same information we do most of the time. Like you say - you really need to SEE these guys to be able to understand what might be in there that a spreadsheet doesn't tell you.
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Yeah - like I said, not picking on you at all. Just shows that we're all FANS, and that needs to be recognized more often. None of us (that I'm aware of) are "insiders" or necessarily have some special knowledge about "The Plan" or players that others here don't. We're all quick to make snap judgements and stick our feet in our mouths from time-to-time. Just an example to point out that we have to be more patient most of the time and let things play themselves out before trashing the brass - they didn't get their jobs because they're idiots. Will they make mistakes? Sure. Just not because they have the same information we do most of the time. Like you say - you really need to SEE these guys to be able to understand what might be in there that a spreadsheet doesn't tell you.
sturg33
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I recall a lot of patience on the Olivera trade... as the fans knew there must've been more to it.
Look how that one turned out
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
And I'm still patient. Wood got shelled the other day and Peraza's in AAA. I'm not going to dismiss them based on that and I don't think we should be ready to toss Olivera in the dumpster either.
Tapate50
Well-known member
Yeah, thats pretty much the poorest example of being patient. Most are already writing him and the others off. It is becoming more likely we didn't give up near what was thought at the time. Besides don't we get to see Bird and Paco and a draft pick result first?
Not to mention we have Mallex breathing down everyone's necks who may turn into the same player - with more speed.
Don't get me wrong, I love Ender, and was higher on him than most when we got him, but we're rebuilding. That means he's not untouchable. If he can be moved to get other pieces we need, you can't get too attached to him. If the Cubs hadn't been able to get Fowler back at such a discount, I wouldn't think twice about moving him for Willson Contreras and Jeimer Candelario. I still think there's a point (although it's more like this winter) where we just match up too well with the Cubs for a deal NOT to be made. Something along the lines of Inciarte and Teheran for Soler, Contreras, Candelario, and Eloy Jimenez just seems like a perfect fit. Jump into the bidding on Strasburg with both feet to replace Julio and draft another of the elite arms at #3 in June.
sturg33
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I meant patience on hearing the trade... at the time - folks thought maybe Seager, Puig, or Urias may have been involved. Instead we got the old man with no ML experience.
It is SOOOOOO irrelevant what Wood and Peraza do from here on out. What matters was their trade value at the time of the trade - and we got terrible value.
Not even that but Peraza is not in the Dodgers org anymore.
Personally, if we're trading one of Inciarte or Mallex, I'd prefer it be Mallex. The issue is obviously that Inciarte has much more value to other teams right now than Mallex and that won't change until Mallex hits the majors and performs. But if he comes up and we put him in LF and he hits well and increases his value, I would trade him.
JohnAdcox
Brian Jordan's New BFF
It's hard to argue with that, especially since we don't necessarily disagree, but I'm going to anyway. I'd love to see an outfield with Ender and Mallex in it at the same time. I love the speed game. Granted, that assumes the remaining outfield spot somehow morphs into a consistent RBI bat, but baby steps.
Biggest issue to me is that after all this talk about an improved Olivera, all I see is the same incredibly long swing. Obviously we all need to realize how early it is but specifically talking Olivera....that trade is crap
Agreed. I'd love to see an OF with both of them. We should be trading Markakis. However, I still move Inciarte before Mallex for two reasons. 1- Inciarte will bring a much bigger return 2 - I see Mallex as being a potential impact bat as a leadoff hitter for us.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Inciarte is a better player than Mallex and probably will remain so over the next five years. But that doesn't mean you move Mallex before you move Inciarte. There are so many other considerations.
Next year I think our outfield will have both. I think we'll trade one of Olivera/Markakis for a catcher.
Next year I think our outfield will have both. I think we'll trade one of Olivera/Markakis for a catcher.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
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I don't disagree. Eventually, I'd like to have an impact bat in both LF and RF but until then, I'd like to see both in the OF. I was just saying that if we believe only one should in the OF and playing CF, I'd rather that be Inciarte.
You lost me at the signing of Strasburg, but I agree with the rest...assuming Teheran re-establishes his value and is sold high.
I'm not looking forward to the constant absurd scenarios where the Braves sign Strasburg though. He is a Boras client that will get $200M+ on the FA market. I can't even remember the last time the Braves signed a prominent Boras client, and the largest FA contract they have ever given out was about 1/3 of what Strasburg will ultimately command.
Strasburg to the Braves isn't happening, just like Matt Holliday, Jon Lester and David Price weren't happening. It didn't stop posters here from coming up with ludicrous scenarios involving home town discounts and major cost saving trades, but I wish folks would wake up and realize it simply isn't happening.
zbhargrove
Well-known member
Inciarte IS one of those pieces we need... Smith and Inciarte can be in the same OF and it would be good for defense anyways. You then replace Markakis with a power bat.
dak
Well-known member
Yeah, we definitely need to add a catcher for next year . . . at least someone good enough to split time with Flowers, and maybe a primary catcher. Good news is the FA market is fairly deep in that area next year, including the guys below that are all upgrades over AJP (low bar).
Alex Avila (30)
Jason Castro (30)
Francisco Cervelli (31)
Nick Hundley (33)
Dioner Navarro (33)
Wilson Ramos (29)
Matt Wieters (31)
I agree that Inciarte is a piece we need. I'm big on finding answers, and we don't have a lot of answers right now. We do have a lot of young talent with a chance to be an answer down the road, yes, but I'm hesitant to give away answers for unknowns. And Inciarte is an answer.