Way Too Early Impressions

clvclv said:
See - right there's the problem. Since the thought doesn't fit with your thoughts, you choose to turn it into something personal and think you've made hay by insulting my intelligence. I defy you to find ONE place where I'm wrong about the finances available - ONE.

You can disagree with the opinion that they're going to sign or trade for at least one big name, high-salary player to go along with the new stadium (whether this winter or next). That's perfectly fine - your OPINION differs from the one that several others including myself have. Since you don't know me from Adam, it'd likely be much less embarassing to simply do that instead of questioning my intelligence. Whether you personally like my opinions or not, I can assure you that my intelligence is at the very least comparable to the vast majority of posters here.
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I didn't bother reading the financials you listed because I don't need to. The Braves aren't going to give a FA $200M-$250M. Nothing in the history of this franchise suggests they will make a commitment like that to a FA, especially not to a pitcher.

Every single move they have made over the last 2 years signals they are going to grow their own TOR guys. I'm sorry if some people refuse to apply logic and instead choose to fantasize about FA signings with zero chance of happening, and I call them out on it.

How about this? If the Braves aren't even a finalist for Strasburg this offseason, you agree to never again suggest they will ever be involved in such a bidding? Or is it impossible for you to learn from history?

I bet you were one of the guys that insisted Price and/or Grienke were possibilities this offseason too, so maybe you are simply unable to make logical conclusions based on past facts.

And when it comes to plausible roster construction for the Atlanta Braves, suggesting the Braves should/will sign guys like Grienke, Price or Strasburg is an unintelligent thing to suggest. Anyone that has been following the team for the last 10 years knows it as fact that the Braves will not sign such high priced players.
 
Olivera is horrible and my initial reaction of that trade being horrible is justified. That's my way too early impression.
 
Enscheff said:
Yes they toyed with Upton, and here is the quote:

"No offer was made, but the conversations centered on a six-year contract that would have been for a significantly lower average annual value than Upton received in his six-year, $132.75 million deal with the Tigers, sources said."

So they didn't even bother to make an actual offer, and were only willing to go significantly less than $130M. That is a far cry from the $200M-$250M Strasburg is going to command. About half, actually.

So....yeah...let's just stop with the Strasburg fantasies, mmkay?
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Strasburg is going to need one hell of a year to get 200-250 million.
 
emk418 said:
Olivera is horrible and my initial reaction of that trade being horrible is justified. That's my way too early impression.
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My way too early impression is that Olivera is going to be worse than I feared making that trade even worse than I had considered it and I pretty much hated it. It was bad asset management at best...
 
nsacpi said:
The previous regime was singed by some pretty bad contracts: Lowe, Kawakami, Uggla, Melvin, CJ. I wonder if there is some lingering institutional memory that will make them less inclined to splash for big contracts even if the money is available. Maybe the strategy will be to spread the funds around rather than go for one or two big contracts.

Also I think there is something to be said for controlling risk by limiting years. One way to do this is bigger AAV but shorter deals. Another is to trade for a player on a big contract who only has 2-3 years left on the deal.

In the above, I'm talking about older players. Another way to avoid bad contracts to older players is to commit the funds to the younger guys that we already have. We have had good results with those kinds of deals: McCann, Kimbrel, Freeman, Teheran, Simmons. I would think Inciarte might be a logical candidate for something similar.
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I think the way to spend money on free agents is to go all out to sign first tier guys or be cautious and find some useful complementary third tier guys. Unfortunately, the Wren regime spent near-first tier money on second tier guys who played like fourth tier guys.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
I think the way to spend money on free agents is to go all out to sign first tier guys or be cautious and find some useful complementary third tier guys. Unfortunately, the Wren regime spent near-first tier money on second tier guys who played like fourth tier guys.
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Don't even think there is a known tier that exists for Melvin.
 
Way too early impressions of key guys we traded this offseason:

Andrelton: 61 wRC+ (career mark is 84). No errors, 1 DRS.
Shelby: 8.18 ERA, 5.05 xFIP, 1.64 WHIP
Maybin: on rehab assignment from wrist surgery. Should join MLB team later this month, and I assume he'll split time with Gose.
 
Way too early impressions are that this team REALLY wants that no 1 pick. I think we will need it too.
 
dak said:
Way too early impressions of key guys we traded this offseason:

Andrelton: 61 wRC+ (career mark is 84). No errors, 1 DRS.
Shelby: 8.18 ERA, 5.05 xFIP, 1.64 WHIP
Maybin: on rehab assignment from wrist surgery. Should join MLB team later this month, and I assume he'll split time with Gose.
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It's super early but both Shelby and Greinke have looked horrible. It's hard to pitch in Arizona, but both have been way off.
 
I think one thing that should be pointed out. The bright spots (Inciarte, Wisler, etc.) are mostly the guys who we expect to be part of the future, while the guys who are costing us games (AJP, Aybar, Beckham, Grilli, JJ) are mostly guys who are placeholders. I know, I know, this is not universal, and there are exceptions to what I am saying, but overall, the young guys are doing okay and suggesting a bright future and the placeholders are looking turrible.

Silver lining?????
 
sturg33 said:
One thing I'm pretty sure of... the "magical" 2017 we heard about so much isn't going to happen in 2017
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I think 2017 is the year where we aren't laughably bad. It will take some very interesting acquisitions to make us competitive.
 
sturg33 said:
One thing I'm pretty sure of... the "magical" 2017 we heard about so much isn't going to happen in 2017
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It won't be magical. But we'll sort of be like the girl that isn't the prettiest at the dance but who turns out to be the most fun to dance with. And we know the front office will take a collective vow not to let the bullpen be as bad.
 
mfree80 said:
I think one thing that should be pointed out. The bright spots (Inciarte, Wisler, etc.) are mostly the guys who we expect to be part of the future, while the guys who are costing us games (AJP, Aybar, Beckham, Grilli, JJ) are mostly guys who are placeholders. I know, I know, this is not universal, and there are exceptions to what I am saying, but overall, the young guys are doing okay and suggesting a bright future and the placeholders are looking turrible.

Silver lining?????
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I think you are mostly on target. The only real negative is Winkler's injury. For a brief moment he was looking like he might be a significant contributor going forward.

Well, also it seems that the FO was expecting Olivera to be a significant part of the future and that is looking less likely. Even if he starts hitting, his defense in left appears to be worse than Evan Gattis.
 
nsacpi said:
I think you are mostly on target. The only real negative is Winkler's injury. For a brief moment he was looking like he might be a significant contributor going forward.

Well, also it seems that the FO was expecting Olivera to be a significant part of the future and that is looking less likely. Even if he starts hitting, his defense in left appears to be worse than Evan Gattis.
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I think my biggest worry is with Freeman. He had a slow spring and off to a slower start to the season. Hopefully it is just mechanics and not because his wrist is bothering him.
 
I wanna read these quotes on 2017. I'm sure the FO had it as a sort of target for fielding an actually decent team, but the board whiners make it seem like the fans were promised a World Series in 2017.
 
yeezus said:
I wanna read these quotes on 2017. I'm sure the FO had it as a sort of target for fielding an actually decent team, but the board whiners make it seem like the fans were promised a World Series in 2017.
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I think the promise was to be competitive for a playoff spot. What we have seen in 2016 gives most fans reason to believe that we will need major upgrades at 2B, C, SS, LF, 3B, Bullpen, Rotation, etc. to at least be there. We don't see how we can improve all of those positions over the winder.
 
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