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Runnin said:
It's the only remaining plot of moral real estate the Right hasn't already sullied with hypocrisy - the abstract.
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What are you even talking about? The abstract? There's nothing 'abstract' about a crying child. Good grief.
 
goldfly said:
so, what exact research are they doing after the cut the face off the out the womb heart beating of the fetus?
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BedellBrave said:
Oh look, a 57 defender.

It wasn't abstract for the boy who had his face cut open and his brain extracted.

So Runnin where is your line? Have you got one?
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To be honest, I don't even know what you're talking about with that.

My line? I really don't care that much about fetuses. I really, really don't. Once they are breathing and walking around I think they should get the full package of rights and respect. I guess I would defer to where a group of women say it should be.

If you must, it would depend greatly upon the mother's circumstances and wishes, but I think the halfway point makes sense. Say, 19 weeks.
 
i really am curious about the research

link to read about it since bedell won't pass a long the info to me?
 
Hawk, why the over the top language.

???

You too can't use civil words to make your case ?
But need to resort to shock rhetoric and outrageous description?
Or, maybe you don't have a logical case
and all you have is "shock rhetoric and out ... "

Just saying
 
57Brave said:
Hawk, why the over the top language.

???

You too can't use civil words to make your case ?
But need to resort to shock rhetoric and outrageous description?
Or, maybe you don't have a logical case

Just saying
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I mean, you have said in this thread you don't consider a crying baby still on the cord a living human.

So there's no need to be civil with you. You are just a loser
 
57Brave said:
Hawk, why the over the top language.

???

You too can't use civil words to make your case ?
But need to resort to shock rhetoric and outrageous description?
Or, maybe you don't have a logical case

Just saying
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We're talking about a living, breathing child here that was slaughtered. Bedell's example from a few pages back. The one that you attacked by saying it wasn't an independent being until it was cut from the umbilical cord.

That's what not logical to me.

But then again, I have no interest in protecting anything here except human life.
 
sturg33 said:
I mean, you have said in this thread you don't consider a crying baby still on the cord a living human.

So there's no need to be civil with you. You are just a loser
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Geez Sturg, we disagree -- is that how you speak with those that see things different than you --
Or is it you don't have , again, a leg to stand on. And need to resort to Trumpian terms like "loser"

I consider a fetus a part of the mother as long as it is attached to the mother or, it's direct life support.
You don't.

I see no need to call you anything or damn you or ask to see your drivers license
 
57Brave said:
Geez Sturg, we disagree -- is that how you speak with those that see things different than you --
Or is it you don't have , again, a leg to stand on. And need to resort to Trumpian terms like "loser"

I consider a fetus a part of the mother as long as it is attached to the mother or, it's direct life support.
You don't.

I see no need to call you anything or damn you or ask to see your drivers license
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I think loser was putting it kindly.

If you think it's OK to kill a crying baby after it's been delivered than I think you should be beaten senseless.. seriously
 
Hawk said:
We're talking about a living, breathing child here that was slaughtered. Bedell's example from a few pages back. The one that you attacked by saying it wasn't an independent being until it was cut from the umbilical cord.

That's what not logical to me.

But then again, I have no interest in protecting anything here except human life.
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Does that take you to Bedell's school of thought that contraception too is a form of "infanticide" ??

At what point is this about telling women when where and how to have sex.

No more no less -- than where abortion / contraception are the "Southern Heritage / States Rights " equivalent.
A smoke screen
 
sturg33 said:
I think loser was putting it kindly.

If you think it's OK to kill a crying baby after it's been delivered than I think you should be beaten senseless.. seriously
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A crying baby ?? On it's way to first day of school -- or first communion.

wow
 
57Brave said:
A crying baby ?? On it's way to first day of school -- or first communion.

wow
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So now a baby isn't important until it can walk and talk?

Bravo.

We're finally getting to the sinister roots of your belief system.
 
Hawk said:
So now a baby isn't important until it can walk and talk?

Bravo.

We're finally getting to the sinister roots of your belief system.
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Is that what you've read ?
I've overrated your reading abilities and sense of sarcasm
 
57Brave said:
we disagree
and
see no reason to judge you or your character beyond that.
.....

Which has been my point throughout this thread.
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Let me give you another example.

I might say that having sex with a 12 year old is disgusting. You might say "it's fine."

In that scenario - we "disagree." But that doesn't mean you're not a disgusting loser.

Now, you're saying "we disagree" that you can't kill a born, living, human being. And to that I say you're a disgusting loser
 
We disagree in that I think it is up to the mother to decide.
Not you
Not me
Not the state

The mother and who ever she deems her higher power.

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As of today - the law of the land grants that woman the right to choose
 
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