WEDNESDAY MINORS FINAL 6/2/21; Three more Langeliers HR

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WEDNESDAY MINOR LEAGUE RESULTS

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CLASS AAA

Gwinnett 11, Jacksonville 3

WP: Muller (2-1) 5 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 6 K
Burrows 1 IP, 1 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, 1 K
Bradford 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 2 K
Y.Lopez 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K
Flaa 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 2 K

Ervin 1-4, HR (1st), 4 RBI
Arcia 2-4, 2 R, 2 RBI
Jackson 2-4, R, 2 RBI
Waters 2-4, 2 R, RBI, SB

CLASS AA

Mississippi 9, Pensacola 4

WP: Deal (1-2) 5.2 IP, 8 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 6 K
Bacon 1.1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K
McLaughlin 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K
White 0.1 IP, 3 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 0 K
Nunn 0.2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K

Langeliers 4-5, 3 HR (5th,6th,7th), 4 R, 3 RBI
Ramos 2-4, 2B
T.Harris 4-5, 2 2B, 2 R, 3 RBI
Alexander 2-5, 2 R

ADVANCED CLASS A

Bowling Green 14, Rome 4

SP: Shuster 2 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 4 K
LP: Rangel (0-3) 1.2 IP, 2 H, 4 ER(7R). 4 BB, 3 K
Stallings 2 IP, 2 H, 5 ER, 3 BB, 4 K
Crouse 1.1 IP, 2 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, 1 K
Schwab 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K

Estrada 1-4, HR (2nd), RBI
Franklin 1-3, 2B
Josephjina 2-4, HR (3rd), RBI
Philip 1-3, HR (2nd), RBI
CLASS A

Augusta 7, Charleston 4

SP: Estes 4 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 7 K
wp: Pena (4-0) 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R 0 BB, 1 K
E.Rodriguez 1.1 IP, 1 H, 3 ER, 3 BB, 0 K
Wels 1.2 IP, 2 H, 1 Er, 0 BB, 4 K

Bunnell 3-5, 2 2B, 3 R
Valdes 2-3, 2 2B, 4 RBI
Carter 2-4, 2 R, RBI
 
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Estes looking filthy for Augusta... we are starting to get some intriguing arms going in the lower minors
 
msstate7 said:
Really hope this isn't just some random hot streak bc he has the ability to catch in mlb
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The peripherals would say the small sample size is for real... only a BABIP of .282 (this was before tonight's action) with almost a 16% walk rate and only a 25% k rate (not too bad for AA when you're walking that much and hitting for power)
 
Jay212033 said:
Strider was promoted to High A.
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Shows how much I know. I thought they would leave in Augusta for another month or so. He was clearly dominating Low-A and he is a college guy, but he doesn't have that many innings under his belt at any level college or pro since his freshman year at Clemson when he threw 51 innings. Plus, given he had arm surgery two years ago, I thought they would take their time with him.

Some nice performances last night. Decent starts for Muller and Estes and, of course, the big night for Langeliers.
 
Does it make sense, efficiency wise, to pair Langeliers and Contreras in the majors or should you trade one? If they both hit (as prospects).


I guess if one is good enough to DH, though that seems a lot to ask of either.
 
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50PoundHead said:
Shows how much I know. I thought they would leave in Augusta for another month or so. He was clearly dominating Low-A and he is a college guy, but he doesn't have that many innings under his belt at any level college or pro since his freshman year at Clemson when he threw 51 innings. Plus, given he had arm surgery two years ago, I thought they would take their time with him.

Some nice performances last night. Decent starts for Muller and Estes and, of course, the big night for Langeliers.
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I don't think this means they're not going to take their time with developing him as a starter. I had mentioned before that I wonder if they might fast-track him and use him in the MLB pen since they're going to limit his innings anyway. If the stuff is as good as the results have looked and he can be effective against MLB hitters for an inning at a time, worry about stretching him out and developing his third offering NEXT YEAR when that's likely to be the first real chance you're going to get to do that anyway. I think it's fair to say that we're desperate enough for pen help that AA is just going to HAVE TO do some things he'd otherwise prefer not to.
 
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Southcack77 said:
Does it make sense, efficiency wise, to pair Langeliers and Contreras in the majors or should you trade one? If they both hit (as prospects).


I guess if one is good enough to DH, though that seems a lot to ask of either.
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You keep them both IMO. If you can keep them healthy and fresh they can combine to be a legitimate middle of the order slot you can count on. Very few teams in the league are in a position to put a Catcher in the middle of the order and NOT worry about some level of dropoff because the "backup" is clearly a step down OR the starter's production dwindles a bit because he's squatting and getting the *ell beat out of him for 120+ games.
 
clvclv said:
You keep them both IMO. If you can keep them healthy and fresh they can combine to be a legitimate middle of the order slot you can count on. Very few teams in the league are in a position to put a Catcher in the middle of the order and NOT worry about some level of dropoff because the "backup" is clearly a step down OR the starter's production dwindles a bit because he's squatting and getting the *ell beat out of him for 120+ games.
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Agree. I think catching is too hard on the body to go with one guy, unless that guy has an elite bat. ATL has done well with tandems in the Georgia heat.

I think Contreras has the potential to hit well, for a catcher. I don't see him or any other catcher we have hitting enough for DH. I'm wouldn't want Realmuto at the DH.

Hopefully Langeliers can hit enough to play. I've always thought he could be a 100+ Wrc+. I think this power will come back post hamate break, but I don't see him as a big HR hitter.
Hopefully Contreras can catch enough to play.

In a world where we have a DH, maybe you consider carrying a low cost third Catcher because Contreras probably hits well enough you'd want to pinch hit him at some point. Maybe Langeliers will as well. If we have a DH and the bench is less critical, I could see carrying the third catcher making sense.

I think the average C wrc+ is in the 80s. So the bar is low.
 
clvclv said:
You keep them both IMO. If you can keep them healthy and fresh they can combine to be a legitimate middle of the order slot you can count on. Very few teams in the league are in a position to put a Catcher in the middle of the order and NOT worry about some level of dropoff because the "backup" is clearly a step down OR the starter's production dwindles a bit because he's squatting and getting the *ell beat out of him for 120+ games.
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Maybe you'd need to move one of them as they get to their last two Arb years. But not before that.

If, big IF, both are starting quality players then you could trade one with 2-3 years of control and likely get a haul or an impact players somewhere else.
 
clvclv said:
You keep them both IMO. If you can keep them healthy and fresh they can combine to be a legitimate middle of the order slot you can count on. Very few teams in the league are in a position to put a Catcher in the middle of the order and NOT worry about some level of dropoff because the "backup" is clearly a step down OR the starter's production dwindles a bit because he's squatting and getting the *ell beat out of him for 120+ games.
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You are 100% correct.

The Dodgers have had great success with splitting the catching load.

The Braves have had great success with it using Suzuki/Flowers in 2017-2018, and Flowers/Mac in 2019.
 
Enscheff said:
You are 100% correct.

The Dodgers have had great success with splitting the catching load.

The Braves have had great success with it using Suzuki/Flowers in 2017-2018, and Flowers/Mac in 2019.
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Yeah, and I can remember all those years McCann was the primary catcher, you could actually see his bat speed slow down by about August. Even happened in his encore year. He was worn down, I presume, by the workload in the Georgia sun.
 
Not to get too far ahead of things at this point, but how often has it happened that a team has two young, starting caliber catchers on the roster at the same time? Most catching tandems tend to include at least one veteran -- good young catchers don't grow on trees. It would be a pretty unusual arrangement to have, say, a 24-year-old Contreras splitting time with a 24-year-old Langeliers.

Which isn't to say we shouldn't do it -- just kind of musing on the rarity of the situation. If they both legitimately end up being starting caliber MLB catchers, it's obviously tempting to cash in one of them for a juicy return at an area of need.
 
MadduxFanII said:
Not to get too far ahead of things at this point, but how often has it happened that a team has two young, starting caliber catchers on the roster at the same time? Most catching tandems tend to include at least one veteran -- good young catchers don't grow on trees. It would be a pretty unusual arrangement to have, say, a 24-year-old Contreras splitting time with a 24-year-old Langeliers.

Which isn't to say we shouldn't do it -- just kind of musing on the rarity of the situation. If they both legitimately end up being starting caliber MLB catchers, it's obviously tempting to cash in one of them for a juicy return at an area of need.
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Or move Contreras to LF.
 
CyYoung31 said:
Or move Contreras to LF.
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I love that kids potential. I'd be open to that considering Shea is doing it all at this point offensively and defensively. Of course I think Contreras can be good defensively but he needs a lot of work. Can Ron Washington train catchers?
 
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