I'm not worried about him at all, really. He's 19. Not every 19-year old we put in AA is going to dominate the way Soroka is. I won't say I'm pumped about what he's doing, but he's more than holding his own at an advanced level. Guy is a college sophomore in AA. Same way I wouldn't worry about a 19-year old hitter in AA with high k-rate than we're used to. He's completely fine in my book.
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I'm not worried about him at all, really. He's 19. Not every 19-year old we put in AA is going to dominate the way Soroka is. I won't say I'm pumped about what he's doing, but he's more than holding his own at an advanced level. Guy is a college sophomore in AA. Same way I wouldn't worry about a 19-year old hitter in AA with high k-rate than we're used to. He's completely fine in my book.
I get not being concerned about the numbers and mostly agree, but being 19 in Double A doesn't have anything to do with the velocity being 89-91 or so.
zbhargrove
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Hard to say on Newcomb. As far as raw stuff, he's probably better than any of them. If he puts it together in the majors he will be great.
Perhaps the further away he gets from his back injury/surgery he'll return to form.
zbhargrove
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89-91 won't cut it man. He was throwing a lot harder
zbhargrove
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I was under the impression that he was long past that. He was throwing a lot harder last year.
But he's still 19. If his velo has truly dipped that much, I'd assume injury or working on different things.
And where are these reports of 89-91 coming from?
Latest I have seen is from 5/10:
https://2080baseball.com/2017/05/pg...-lefty-kolby-allard-making-early-jump-double/
and says:
"Currently, Allard’s fastball ranges from 92-to-95 mph and he has two above-average off-speed offerings in his curveball and changeup. A scout I spoke with gave Allard 60-grade marks on his fastball and curveball and a 50-grade mark on his changeup with a projection of 60. Throw in a plus to double-plus control grade thanks to his K:BB rate of 4:1 and 1.9 BB/9 in Double-A, and you have the makings of a future number three starter in the major leagues."
Latest I have seen is from 5/10:
https://2080baseball.com/2017/05/pg...-lefty-kolby-allard-making-early-jump-double/
and says:
"Currently, Allard’s fastball ranges from 92-to-95 mph and he has two above-average off-speed offerings in his curveball and changeup. A scout I spoke with gave Allard 60-grade marks on his fastball and curveball and a 50-grade mark on his changeup with a projection of 60. Throw in a plus to double-plus control grade thanks to his K:BB rate of 4:1 and 1.9 BB/9 in Double-A, and you have the makings of a future number three starter in the major leagues."
Can't remember who wrote it after seeing him this year, but I know there has been at least one article written mentioning it.
Here's one report after watching him in Rome last year that says he was 89-92: https://www.baseballhq.com/content/minors-eyes-have-it—kolby-allard-chris-paddack
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Allard is 19, his fastball will get faster. Maybe AA coaches are trying to teach him how to take a bit off to throw strikes or tweaking his fastball delivery or something. Count me as a little worried about him only for injury risk, not at all for performance
zbhargrove
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If the case that's great. I was just replying to the guy who said 89-91.
Where are we allowed to talk about prospects at? Could've sworn this was the place.
I have no idea. I'm not sitting there with a radar gun getting velo readings. I can only go by what I read, which is why I'm asking where those reports came from.
No matter where the info comes from (as long as it's accurate), 89-91 isn't going to cut it if we are talking about Allard being a Top 25 prospect with TOR upside. If we are comparing THAT Allard to Wright...he isn't even in the same tier as Wright.
Same thing with Soroka. If Soroka is succeeding in AA agaisnt inferior hitters by pairing mediocre stuff with superior sequencing/control, he also isn't as good a prospect as Wright. I can't find recent accurate data on either guys though to form an informed opinion.
I've never thought of Soroka as having mediocre stuff, hard to find really good recent reports, but here's the tools from Pipeline/FG/2080.
Pipeline
Fastball - 60
Change - 55
Curve - 55
Control - 55
' low-90s sinking fastball. He can reach back for more when he needs to as well.'
FanGraphs
Fastball - 55
Slider - 50
Change - 40
Command - 40
'heavy low-90s fastball and has even shown some early signs of advanced fastball manipulation.'
2080
Fastball - 60
Curveball - 60
Changeup - 60
'heater now sitting comfortably in the low 90s with heavy action, and reaching as high as 95-to-96 mph up in the zone '