I don't want you to use anything.
Not being interested in exploring advanced stats is one thing, but being so admantly against them is another.
What Concerns you most about 2014?
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I don't want you to use anything.
Not being interested in exploring advanced stats is one thing, but being so admantly against them is another.
I understand your hesitation Matt but I would suggest to be a little more open minded about them. I think you'll find that they do in fact tell a better story. It still shouldn't change your enjoyment of the game. Nobody has a stat book out at the ball park.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
Garcia should not make even one start for a contender (outside of September).
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
If any starter should be in the bullpen for part of the season it should be Beachy.
Obviously that is the long term plan but I wouldn't mind them babying him one more season in the pen and then stretching him out in July.
Garcia was good for us last year and has been a solid pitcher in his career. We could do a lot worse than Garcia.
Again, he isn't my preference but I'm not going to get all upset like I did in the playoffs last year only to look foolish afterwards.
Its not a long term plan but to see if he can give us a few good starts in April is not the worst idea.
You were arguing last year how we didn't have any depth and wore out our pitchers early on. Garcia starting in April will alleviate the stress on a guy like Wood.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
I was (and rightfully so). Garcia is not legitimate (#5) depth.
I guess we disagree with #5 starters look like. I think Garcia can give us 6 innings per start at around a 4.5 FIP.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
We'd be lucky.
While sample sizes are all over the place, since turning 30 his FIP- each year has been
118
126
74
109
99
110
137
That's 7 seasons. And those are sadly the least scary of all those numbers.
Over those 7 seasons he's totaled only like 600 major league innings. And about 6 fWAR. Overall his FIP- is 109 which basically means he's 9% worse than average.
He's gotten over those 7 seasons 106 starts and 588.1 IP meaning he lasts just about 5.2 IP per start at a below average rate. I fail to believe we can't find that level of production from someone in our minors. Or someone off the waiver scrap heap. Freddy is totally not needed and I hope he doesn't ever make another start in a Braves uniform again. If he beats out Wood or Beachy as the 5th starter I'll be pissed.
My preference would be to see what Hale can do but the Braves just won't do that. I think you could do a hell of a lot worse than Freddy. Plus, we need to have 3 Freddy's on the team.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
No, Cylons have a plan.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
You can do worse (Jeff Suppan) but it's not hard to do better.
ZIPS projects Freddy at a 119 FIP- which I think is pretty fair. They project to do about as well or better (ignoring the big 5 and Floyd) Northcraft, Graham, Martin, Maholm (the one we should have signed to a minor league deal), and a few others. Basically we have better depth than Freddy, ignoring that we could if **** gets real bad push along sims quickly.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
There are many copies.
And they have a . . . er, well, there are many copies.
You have no idea how hard I'm laughing right now.
Baseball IS statistics though and it always has been. And despite your snobbery of advanced stats, you still use stats just as much as us. The only difference is you use outdated stats and cling to them out some sort prideful protest against so called "stat-heads." Just because you refuse to acknowledge/educate yourself on the effectiveness advanced stats doesn't make them any less effective.
That isn't to say all advanced stats are 100% accurate. I don't think anyone who claim that either.