What to do with Uggla now?

[yeezus]

What do you think that reasoning was, though? I could accept a perspective of us not wanting to rush him, but you have to admit - we were pretty desperate.

Idk, probably throwing a completely inexperienced, non-great defender who hasn't had all that many pro ABs into a crazy playoff scenario? It's not that crazy. They probably saw more value in using a guy like EJ who can steal bases and play good defense.

 

[Hawk]

Idk, probably throwing a completely inexperienced, non-great defender who hasn't had all that many pro ABs into a crazy playoff scenario? It's not that crazy. They probably saw more value in using a guy like EJ who can steal bases and play good defense.

Hand that man the starting job, pronto.

 

[GovClintonTyree]

Hand that man the starting job, pronto.

We can't do that. We're not the Cardinals.

 

[Knucksie]

"Believe it or not, several posters here have that expanded knowledge you doubt, have seen the vast majority of prospects talked about on the board multiple times, and aren't guilty of over-hyping guys - the fact that you're not aware who they are notwithstanding, of course. Since you're in favor of stereotyping, is it safe to assume that since your screen-name is "Knucksie" that you're in the 50-60 year old range and believe that none of these young kids are ever capable of being half the player that the old-timers were?

Not that old.

(Sorry I wasn't able to do the cool multi-quoting thing like you did...I unfortunately know less about how to do that than I do about Braves prospects.)

Just use the quote tags.

 

[goldfly]

i am going to suggest what i think everyone else is thinking

time to sign him to an extention

best value is right now

 

[Knucksie]

While I don't think it's fair to slot LaStella against Marte (we're talking two vastly different skill-sets,)

No question. My only reason for bringing Marte into the conversation was because he was listed as a top prospect. A blue chipper. Can't miss. LaStella wasn't even on anybody's radar screen until very recently.

This whole scenario reminded me a bit of Flowers. He carried a lot of hype, too, after a hot AFL season. That led to him being part of the package for Javier Vazquez, who's now obviously retired. How's Flowers doing these days?

 

[Teheran_49]

No question. My only reason for bringing Marte into the conversation was because he was listed as a top prospect. A blue chipper. Can't miss. LaStella wasn't even on anybody's radar screen until very recently.

This whole scenario reminded me a bit of Flowers. He carried a lot of hype, too, after a hot AFL season. That led to him being part of the package for Javier Vazquez, who's now obviously retired. How's Flowers doing these days?

Well he's doing as well as BJ Upton so maybe we'll give him a huge contract to be our catcher next year.

 

[skidlee]

LeStalla has been on the radar for a while now. He has always been able to hit. Injuries have slowed his development a little but no one has questioned his bat.

Why didn't he get called up in September? Don't know but its not the first time the braves didn't call up a kid during a playoff run.

This is just like Gattis last year. A lot wanted him in LF from day one and others didn't. IMO last years team was different. We needed a guy like upton instead of Gattis. For 2014 we can live we having a rookie at 2b.

 

[PawPawMaxwell]

I promise, someday I will learn how to link but for now: Cincinnati paper few days ago, article by Paul Daugherty: "Trading Brandon Phillips for Dan Uggla would be a good thing.......................................for the Braves"

 

[skillet]

I promise, someday I will learn how to link but for now: Cincinnati paper few days ago, article by Paul Daugherty: "Trading Brandon Phillips for Dan Uggla would be a good thing.......................................for the Braves"

Here is the article:

DDBP TAKES GOLD. Defense is the most subjective piece of the baseball puzzle. I know there are now SABR stats for it, but to judge a guy’s defensive ability, you pretty much have to watch him play all the time. I dont watch D. Barney all the time, so my opinion is less than expert. But I’ve never seen anyone play 2B better than BP.

He makes the difficult seem routine and the impossible merely difficult. He gets to balls I dont see others reach. You might not like his flair, but that’s a personality thing, not a performance issue. Phillips lost a few GGs early in his career, to O. Hudson, because more than any of the other awards, the Gold Glove favors familiar names. How he lost out to Barney last year is beyond me. Barney made fewer errors. Even an OG old-schooler such as myself knows that errors is no way to measure defensive prowess

I also don’t see how J. Bruce didnt get his first GG. But again, I don’t see G. Parra play all the time. Bruce has good range, gets good jumps and has a terrific arm. He never looks bad. He helped Choo this year. Bruce is still young enough to get his due. Disappointing, though. He missed the All Star team as well.

Phillips didnt make himself available via conference call to the local media. He believes we are trying to get him traded. Not so.

We are reporting the whispers. They fairly roar.

Personally, I hope he’s here next year. I think it’d be a mistake to deal him, because the Reds would not get equal value in return, certainly not in the short term. The rumor that the Braves would part w/D. Uggla for BP would be a good thing… for the Braves. What the Reds do not need is another guy who’s going to K 150-plus times, and doesnt give you much beyond a home run bat.

Trading a player for constructive reasons is one thing. Dealing him for personal reasons is another. Is BP’s personality really that much of an issue?

 

[Teheran_49]

I promise, someday I will learn how to link but for now: Cincinnati paper few days ago, article by Paul Daugherty: "Trading Brandon Phillips for Dan Uggla would be a good thing.......................................for the Braves"

For the 2014 season it would be a good thing for the Braves but he's still has a few years left on his contract and he's reaching those years where players start to decline(unless your Barry Bonds).

 

[PawPawMaxwell]

For the 2014 season it would be a good thing for the Braves but he's still has a few years left on his contract and he's reaching those years where players start to decline(unless your Barry Bonds).

Do you think he would be worth $6 per year for the next 4 years? Cause that is what it would total if Uggla simply has to be released.

And FWIW, the article was only brought up as an update. not advocating one way or the other.

 

[Teheran_49]

Do you think he would be worth $6 per year for the next 4 years? Cause that is what it would total if Uggla simply has to be released.

And FWIW, the article was only brought up as an update. not advocating one way or the other.

I'm really not catching what your saying. If we trade Uggla for Phillips we would have to take on Phillips' contract so I don't understand how we'd pay him 6 mil for 4 years. I don't see FW releasing Uggla. We may not find someone to take Uggla and if he we keep him and he doesn't produce again then I would release him but I wouldn't release him just yet.

 

[PawPawMaxwell]

I'm really not catching what your saying. If we trade Uggla for Phillips we would have to take on Phillips' contract so I don't understand how we'd pay him 6 mil for 4 years. I don't see FW releasing Uggla. We may not find someone to take Uggla and if he we keep him and he doesn't produce again then I would release him but I wouldn't release him just yet.

If we simply release Uggla that leaves 26M in the wind. All the pundits and fans alike seem to think that Wren will be lucky to get 3M per year picked up by some team. So trading Uggla for Phillips even up would be a net increase of 24M. 6M per year more or less.

 

[yeezus]

People get so upset that we're bringing up LaStella. What seems best for the franchise, and this is pretty clear to me, is just cutting bait with Uggla and seeing how it goes with a guy like LaStella. He's hit everywhere, he needs a shot at some point, he's inexpensive, has always shown amazing patience/strike zone judgement..handcuffing ourselves with an extra 2 years of a bad contract by getting Phillips, or keeping Uggla, or trading a bunch of good pieces for a guy like Kendrick, is just not what this type of mid-market franchise can do. We need our cheap, good, young players. And that means we shouldn't trade our good young players for 30 yr old 2B who could fall off at any moment.

Do people really think we can trade a guy like Gilmartin or something for Kendrick? They need pitching, and will undoubtedly want Sims PLUS MORE after the season Kendrick just had. We cannot do that.

 

[yeezus]

Hand that man the starting job, pronto.

In the beginning of the season, after a great AFL? He's got to be given a shot sometime.
Throw him in there for his first ML experience in the playoffs? No thanks.
Different situations. Surely you can see that?
Also, no one is saying hand it to him. Are you people here being completely obtuse on purpose? He needs to be given a shot. If he hits really well in ST, what else does he have to do to get a shot? He has to be given the opportunity to win the job. If he completely flops in ST and looks horrible, so be it. Let him get more seasoning. But he's hit everywhere he's been, and very well.

 

[Knucksie]

Hitting really well in ST doesn't necessarily earn a job either. About 10 years ago, there was an IF who raked in ST. (Sorry, kids, the name and even his position escapes me, but think he was either a 1B or 2B. It wasn't Thorman.) This guy was one of the top Braves hitters for avg in the Grapefruit League, as in over .400, but got sent back to AA. Never had a major league career. Fortunately, there was some healthy scepticism at Scout. The term, "fool's gold," was applied to him. If somebody could remember who this was, please post the name.

Before that, there was this thought that Australia was going to become an alternative international destination for new young baseball talent (they even tried Brazil, too). Remembering Glenn Williams:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=schwarz_alan&id=2096973

 

[50PoundHead]

Hitting really well in ST doesn't necessarily earn a job either. About 10 years ago, there was an IF who raked in ST. (Sorry, kids, the name and even his position escapes me, but think he was either a 1B or 2B. It wasn't Thorman.) This guy was one of the top Braves hitters for avg in the Grapefruit League, as in over .400, but got sent back to AA. Never had a major league career. Fortunately, there was some healthy scepticism at Scout. The term, "fool's gold," was applied to him. If somebody could remember who this was, please post the name.

Before that, there was this thought that Australia was going to become an alternative international destination for new young baseball talent (they even tried Brazil, too). Remembering Glenn Williams:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=schwarz_alan&id=2096973

I remember Travis Wilson made some big noise in spring training in the early-2000s and made it down to the last cut before coming back to earth in AAA. Cory Aldridge was another guy who put up a monster spring (might have been the same spring as Wilson's great performance), but it never panned out for him either.

Regular season major league baseball is pretty much its own planet. There's a lot less gravity on the other planets on which baseball is played--Arizona Fall League, Spring Training, Winter Leagues, Minor Leagues--and we always need to keep that in mind.

La Stella has the look of a guy whose skills will translate, but I'm always pretty cautious when projecting guys.

 

[Hawk]

In the beginning of the season, after a great AFL? He's got to be given a shot sometime.
Throw him in there for his first ML experience in the playoffs? No thanks.
Different situations. Surely you can see that?
Also, no one is saying hand it to him. Are you people here being completely obtuse on purpose? He needs to be given a shot. If he hits really well in ST, what else does he have to do to get a shot? He has to be given the opportunity to win the job. If he completely flops in ST and looks horrible, so be it. Let him get more seasoning. But he's hit everywhere he's been, and very well.

Did you watch any Braves baseball the second half of the season? Or were you in a dark corner somewhere banging your head against a wall repeatedly?

The Braves had Mendoza-incarnate out there hacking it at second, but a prospect who's hit 'everywhere, and very well' wasn't given a shot? That makes total sense to me.

 

[yeezus]

Did you watch any Braves baseball the second half of the season? Or were you in a dark corner somewhere banging your head against a wall repeatedly?

The Braves had Mendoza-incarnate out there hacking it at second, but a prospect who's hit 'everywhere, and very well' wasn't given a shot? That's makes total sense to me.

Hm, yeah, a guy who hadn't played at all in AA until this past season didn't get a shot. Do I really need to explain that part, why they wouldn't play a guy who hadn't played above AA?

Why are you so against giving him a shot? And what would you prefer to do?

No reason to get so upset about fans discussing their players.