Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
Phillips is owed more the final two years of his contract than we owe Uggla for his final two years. It is a terrible idea.
What to do with Uggla now?
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Phillips is owed more the final two years of his contract than we owe Uggla for his final two years. It is a terrible idea.
I apologize if my post came across as confrontational. I apologize for my word usage.
I do however find it odd on the other side of the spectrum. Why are you and others so unwilling to give young players a chance? Tommy is not just producing at an OK rate, he has been excellent since he was drafted. Other than being slightly older than the competition there is nothing more you can ask from a prospect. Sure, he might have issues defensively but our main problem was that our hitting got shut down. If we can add one more good bat to this core, which is what I think LaStella would be, then it would be the best move going forward.
I just don't see how taking a 4 year deal for a 32 year old is smart. We need to allocate our money to our youngsters.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
You know what, just for fun 2 players and their 30-32 seasons
Player A who has a certain owlish quality to him
30 - 135
31 - 111
32 - 104
(hint 33 91)
Player B should be obvious since I posted them before
30 - 122
31 - 101
32 - 91
Phillips has a CAREER 96 wRC+ so I think a decline is entirely likely.
So we're trading a 33 year old 2B with 2 years left on his deal for a 32 year old 2B with 4 years on his contract. Both have been in decline for 3 years.
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
IMO a lots worse idea would be giving McCann 5/75 which lots of posters here would like.
IMO a lots worse idea would be giving Josh Johnson what he will likely demand and get from someone.
IMO a lots worse idea would be trading what it would take to get Price
IMO it would still be worse to just dump Uggla nad get nothing. With Phillips there is enough that he has considerable more trade value than Uggla.
I think most around here do not want to sign Mac or trade for Price.
If Johnson only wanted a 1-2 year deal I would definitely pay him 20 million total if those 20 million were incentive driven. Braves need to keep the contract obligations to a minimum in terms of years so when the big raises happen they are ready for it. Johnson is the type of high risk high reward that this team can take considering that they have in house options for their "holes".
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Im done. And no apologies needed. It is me who was getting edgy and argumentative.
But read the last line of my previous post. Please. Uggla has no trade value other than SOMETHING like Phillips. phillips still has considerable value at this time contrary to Zitos unrelenting pool of non applicable stats.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
Signing McCann is a bad idea.
Signing Josh to anything but an extremely friendly contract is a bad idea.
Don't agree.
Don't agree. Dumping Uggla for the few million you could save (the same you would save during the first two years of Phillips' contract) and giving someone cheap a try is a MUCH better option than trading one bad contract for another LONGER one.
Personally, I would go after Price and Zobrist in one huge deal. Something like -
Heyward, Wood, Hale, Avilan, Gilmartin, and Uggla for Price, Zobrist, and whatever salary relief you can get off of Uggla's contract. Should be a somewhat decent amount for that package.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
It is a fair deal, don't you think? What Heyward would sign right now, no team would offer. That is my opinion.
If both Price/Zobrist sign extensions then I would agree. Just really hard to let Heyward go honestly.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
Yep. I am with you, to a degree. But we only have him for the same amount of time that we would have Price and Zobrist (at minimum), and he is going to make A LOT of money.
Its an interesting question. The Rays won't be able to pay Heyward either but would probably love to get their hands on some good Wood.
I don't think other teams would offer a better player than Heyward but they might offer a slightly less effective player who is under control for longer so I think they would tell Wren they have to think about it first.
cajunrevenge
Well-known member
I am really mixed on Uggla/Phillips trade idea. Wouldnt really give them a top prospect for him unless your idea of top prospect is someone like Salcedo. I dont think its a foregone conclusion that BP is toast. That said even if he rebounds he is just a plus defensive 2B who puts up a .750 OPS. Still would be vastly overpaid. I think the Braves might just see Uggla's 26 million as a sunk cost which would make BP a 4 year 24 million addition which isnt that bad. We could release Uggla and sign Infante and it would be for around the same money.
jsebe10
Well-known member
www.sbnation.com/mlb/2013/10/19/4855412/brandon-phillips-dan-uggla-braves-reds-mlb-trade-rumors
Not sure if this has been posted yet or not. I'd love this.
Thoughts?
Not sure if this has been posted yet or not. I'd love this.
Thoughts?
NinersSBChamps
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Can't see why the Reds would want to add Uggla. Although I would do this deal in a heartbeat. No idea what prospect it would take.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
No one but me?
David O'Brien @ajcbraves 17h Hearing #Braves would have interest in #Reds 2B Phillips if Cincy takes Uggla in deal. ATL probably have to include a top prospect.
Which was also what MLBTR quoted in reporting the rumor too.
Top Prospect of B.J. Upton should get the deal done. 
The source is nothing more than a DOB tweet.
Assuming this is has legs, there are other factors to consider. Find out what is meant by "a top prospect." Next, there's the issue that Phillips could become a distraction before the end of this contract (either with the Braves or another club). Last, there's always the possibility that Uggla could start to turn around. The situation is a little different from Lowe, in that there's a physical problem If the root cause is the vision, there is time to adjust and there should be a willingness to work with the hitting instructors during the off-season. With Uggla, there's only 2 more seasons on the contract. With Phillips, there's 4. The Braves org can have a younger, much less expensive option a lot sooner.
It's something to consider, but not something to jump at the opportunity.