Who would you replace Gonzalez with?

lol I can say with certainty almost every coaching staff is comprised of a former major league players...
 
zitothebrave said:
Terry Francona is Fredi Gonzalez 2.0. He's a horrible game manager who can manage a veteran team.
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They call him Terry Fran-coma in Boston.

He couldn't control the clubhouse mess that erupted in Boston in 2011 and if one deems the clubhouse important, that's pretty damning.

He's a very lazy in-game manager.
 
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Carp said:
Except Francona has actually won with those veteran teams. Two WS rings in fact. Sure he had a higher payrolls, but high payrolls don't guarantee success, as the Angels, Mets, and Dodgers clearly have shown.
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He won the most improbably world series ever and had one fo the best teams of the last decade. First one took an epic collapse by the Yankmees, second one, again best team in baseball. Can't forget the chicken and beer incident and he lost control of his clubhouse. Not to mention, look what he did in Philly.

Francona took over a team that was on the cusp of a world series victory but for Aaron Boone, or whichever turd that was. and then he took tem back, then in 2007 he had again, the best team in baseball. For a reference of the "skills" of Francona, the 2000 Phillies were 65 and 97 after that season they made a few moves, traded for Travis Lee, Jimmy Rollins called up, and lost their staff ace via trade (Schilling) and signed the incomparable Jose Mesa. None of those moves except maybe replacing Desi Relaford with Rollins was a massive net gain, that Francona couldn't have done himself. Not to mention that in 2001 Lieberthal went down and he was huge for the PHillies in 2000. But the Phillies in 2001 had an 86-76 record despite nothing that screamed, they should be way better. Especially when you consider the big loss of Schilling.

And also on the flipside, in 97 the Phillies were 68-94, in 96 they were 67-95 under Fergosi, despite adding as full time players in 97 Lieberthal, Rolen, and getting a half season ( until his trade) of Darren Daulton who produced very well.

Despite having a very solid group of players in Philly with ROlen, Lieberthal, Abreu, Schilling, and towards the end Wolf, Francona couldn't finish better than 3rd in Philly and over .500, Despite his issues, Larry BOwa his successor never finished below 3rd in the division and only once below .500. Until 03/04 the teams Bowa had were nothing to shake a stick at, that's when the Phillies added Thome and Millwood and brought up Brett Myers. Though by then they did lose ROlen which pretty much negates the Thome addition.
 
rico43 said:
Only a Braves fan would realize that this is criticism. There are at least 25 MLB teams that would take exactly what we've gotten the last 25 years. An amazing statement.
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So you have no problem coming in second and never winning ? Do you think JS would trade the last 16 years of the Braves success for the last 16 years of the Marlins success? I would

You play for the ring not to come in second. Would you want people working for you to be the best or almost good enough and don't want to be the best ? Never settle for anything less then being the best. The day coming in less than the best is fulfilling is a day you've already lost.
 
Krgrecw said:
So you have no problem coming in second and never winning ? Do you think JS would trade the last 16 years of the Braves success for the last 16 years of the Marlins success? I would
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lol.

I'd rather be the team that's knocking on the door every year and gives itself a chance to win a WS than have the Marlins' "success". We've basically been in contention every year for almost a quarter of a century.

If Peyton Manning retires tomorrow with 1 ring, I will still view him as arguably the greatest quarterback of all time... the numbers back it up. Don't care he doesn't have 3 like Brady.

It's not about "coming in second". We've had great success with our style and organizational structure, that 90% of the other teams in the league would trade for.

It's disappointing we haven't won more than 1, but I watch baseball for April-September, and not just October.
 
Oh, you guys wanna be the MARLINS? They have 1 more WS win and a whole lot of awful, painful seasons worth of baseball. You've got to be kidding me. As crappy as our attendance is, there are about 20 people in the stands in Miami. If the Braves had full seasons comparable to what the Marlins have had of late...none of you would watch, and this board would be about half as active, if that. Give me a break. You want to be the Marlins...80% of the time their regular seasons are over at the halfway point and they're in the dumpster. The MARLINS.
 
The Red Sox, before 2004, hadn't won a World Series since 1913! The Great Red Sox. You guys whine and moan as if the Braves haven't won since 1913. More often than not, this organization has been in position to contend for a title. Much more so than a large majority of other franchises. I was 4 years old when the Braves last won, so it's as if I've never seen them win. If I see them win one before I die, I'll be very happy. What do you think this is, a game of hungry-hungry-hippos with your siblings? SO many organizations would love to be where the Braves have been the last 20 years and would love to be in the position we're in now. I'm genuinely curious, if you'd rather have the Marlins "success" of the last 16 years vs. the Braves, how you enjoy baseball. It seems like an avenue to bitch about something more than anything, if that's the case. I can only imagine how you whiners would react if this were a 90 loss team almost every year. LMAO. The Marlins.

It's as if you have truly not perspective or grip on how the MLB playoffs work. It's not a complete crapshoot, but crazy things happen in a month of baseball. In just 5 games? Anything can happen. An inferior team could beat a superior team in a 5-game series in back-to-back years in baseball. It's just how it goes. If you really can't enjoy the overall success this franchise has had the last 20 years, just become a front-runner now. You never know who's going to win the title.
 
I don't know that I would stay engaged as a fan--certainly not to the extent that I do--if the team were sub-.500 more often than not.
 
I Marlined one time and it went really well, but it was too expensive so I had to sell all of my stuff and live in my car for a few years.
 
The Braves have had two (!) losing seasons since 1991.
The Marlins have lost 90+ 7 times since becoming a team in 1993.
Plz give me more Marlin-like seasons.
 
We all enjoy the success the Braves have has throughout the last two decades. I measure success on playoff accomplishments though. As many times as we have been in the post season I view it as a failure since they won one ring. Were they entertaining seasons? Absolutely they were. Call me spoiled or what have you.
 
50PoundHead said:
They call him Terry Fran-coma in Boston.

He couldn't control the clubhouse mess that erupted in Boston in 2011 and if one deems the clubhouse important, that's pretty damning.

He's a very lazy in-game manager.
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He's an American League manager. You could put a lineup out and sleep for 6 innings.
 
yeezus said:
The Braves have had two (!) losing seasons since 1991.
The Marlins have lost 90+ 7 times since becoming a team in 1993.
Plz give me more Marlin-like seasons.
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They also have won two world series crowns. Small sample size, but each post season they make they win it all.
 
NinersSBChamps said:
We all enjoy the success the Braves have has throughout the last two decades. I measure success on playoff accomplishments though. As many times as we have been in the post season I view it as a failure since they won one ring. Were they entertaining seasons? Absolutely they were. Call me spoiled or what have you.
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9 organizations have won a World Series since we last won.
Again, you completely ignore that anything can happen in a 5 or 7 game series.
Whatever, continue to whine and wish you were a Marlins fan because we don't have two titles the last 20 years. That's your misery.
 
NinersSBChamps said:
They also have won two world series crowns. Small sample size, but each post season they make they win it all.
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Which shows how random and crap-shooty it is. Because the best team certainly does not always win in baseball.
Again, if you'd like to see 7 90+ losing seasons for 1 more WS, by all means. The Marlins desperately need fans. I wonder why that is?
 
Would we be favored against the Marlins this fall in a one-game series? A five-game series? A seven game series?
 
Fredi: "When you have good pitching, and not good hitting its better than good hitting with no pitching. In that case good pitching beats good pitching, unless you can't score runs so hitting beats good pitching. That's where we are at as a team right now."
 
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