Why Academics Leftists and Elitists Need to Treat Ordinary Americans With Respect
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Yes, people who commit senseless murder against other racial groups in the name of an “Army” should only be celebrated in death by the Secretary of War Pete Hegseth.
Valid criticism. I’ve just been meaning to insult Hegseth over his stupid ass Wounded Knee announcement and I shoehorned it in here.
I find this less valid. Wounded Knee was an unjustifiable massacre and a stain on our country, and Hegseth’s announcement is every bit as gross as this. I just don’t need to resort to a whataboutism on celebrating violence.
acesfull86
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I should repost the Chicago Teachers Union tweet in the school choice thread
acesfull86
Well-known member
Me: Give me a list of everyone associated with terrorism or political violence who later secured a faculty appointment at an American university, broken down by left wing versus right wing
Grok:
### Left-Wing
The following individuals were involved in left-wing political violence or terrorism, primarily during the 1960s and 1970s anti-war and revolutionary movements, and later obtained faculty positions at U.S. universities. Their appointments often occurred after legal proceedings, pardons, or acquittals, and they contributed to fields like education, law, and social sciences.
- **Bill Ayers**: Co-founder of the Weather Underground, a militant group responsible for bombings of government buildings and banks in protest of the Vietnam War. Served as Distinguished Professor of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago until his retirement in 2010.
- **Bernadine Dohrn**: Leader of the Weather Underground, involved in bombings and charged with aggravated battery and bail-jumping (served seven months for contempt). Appointed as a faculty member and director of the Children and Family Justice Center at Northwestern University School of Law.
- **Kathy Boudin**: Member of the Weather Underground and the Black Liberation Army; participated in the 1981 Brink's armored car robbery that killed two police officers and a guard. Served 22 years in prison, then became an adjunct professor at Columbia University School of Social Work.
- **Angela Davis**: Affiliated with the Black Panther Party; charged in connection with the 1970 Marin County courthouse shootout (four deaths), though acquitted. Held faculty positions including at the University of California, Santa Cruz, where she was a professor emerita in the History of Consciousness Department.
- **Susan Rosenberg**: Member of the May 19th Communist Organization, involved in bombings and the 1981 Brink's robbery; sentenced to 58 years (pardoned after 16). Served as a visiting professor at Hunter College, City University of New York.
- **Judith Clark**: Accomplice in the 1981 Brink's robbery; served 36 years before parole. Appointed adjunct instructor at SUNY Empire State College's Prison Education Program.
- **Jamal Joseph**: Charged as part of the Panther 21 conspiracy to bomb New York landmarks (acquitted); former Black Panther. Became a professor of media studies at the City University of New York.
- **Leonard Peltier**: Convicted for the 1975 killing of two FBI agents during a Wounded Knee-related shootout (left-wing/American Indian Movement affiliation; maintains innocence). While primarily an activist, he has lectured as an adjunct instructor at select institutions like Lehigh Carbon Community College during periods of temporary release.
Right-Wing
No clear examples were identified of individuals directly associated with right-wing terrorism or political violence who later secured faculty appointments at American universities. Historical right-wing violence, such as KKK activities or militia actions, rarely led to academic rehabilitation, and searches yielded only authors of extremist texts (e.g., William Pierce, a former physics professor who left academia to lead the neo-Nazi National Alliance) rather than post-violence faculty roles. Modern right-wing extremists, like those involved in the January 6 Capitol riot, have faced professional disqualifications rather than academic opportunities.
Me: Any others?
Grok:
### Left-Wing
After further review of historical records and academic sources, here are additional individuals associated with left-wing political violence or terrorism who later secured faculty appointments at U.S. universities. These build on the previous list, focusing on those involved in 1960s–1980s radical groups like the Black Panthers, Weather Underground affiliates, or animal rights extremism. As before, appointments often followed legal resolutions, and their roles were in fields like media, philosophy, or education.
- **Assata Shakur (born Joanne Chesimard)**: Convicted for the 1973 murder of a New Jersey state trooper during a shootout involving Black Liberation Army members (escaped prison in 1979; granted asylum in Cuba). Served as an adjunct instructor in Black studies at several U.S. institutions, including Yale University in the 1970s prior to her fugitive status.
- **David Gilbert**: Member of the Weather Underground and May 19th Communist Organization; participated in the 1981 Brink's armored car robbery that killed two police officers and a guard (served 40 years before parole in 2021). Appointed as a part-time lecturer in history and sociology at select New York community colleges post-release.
- **Mutulu Shakur**: Black Liberation Army member involved in the 1981 Brink's robbery and earlier bank expropriations; convicted on federal charges including conspiracy (served 60 years until death in 2023). Lectured as a visiting scholar on health and social justice at institutions like Malcolm X College before his final incarceration.
- **Mike Rosen**: Symbionese Liberation Army member involved in kidnappings and the 1973 shootout that killed six (served time; later changed identity). Became an adjunct professor of communications at a California state university in the 1990s.
- **Steve Best**: Founder of the Animal Liberation Press Office, which supports the Animal Liberation Front (designated a domestic terrorist group by the FBI for arsons and vandalism); no direct violence conviction but promotes "direct action" tactics. Held faculty positions in philosophy at the University of Texas, El Paso, until 2014.
### Right-Wing
Extensive searches across academic databases, extremism trackers, and historical analyses continue to yield no verified examples of individuals directly involved in right-wing terrorism or political violence who later obtained faculty appointments at American universities. Cases like William Pierce (author of *The Turner Diaries* and neo-Nazi leader) involved leaving academia *for* extremism, not the reverse. Modern right-wing figures, such as those linked to the January 6 Capitol riot or militia groups, have faced deplatforming and professional barriers rather than academic opportunities. This asymmetry highlights differing paths to institutional reintegration across ideologies.
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On some dimensions of this issue, there are no “both sides”…
Grok:
### Left-Wing
The following individuals were involved in left-wing political violence or terrorism, primarily during the 1960s and 1970s anti-war and revolutionary movements, and later obtained faculty positions at U.S. universities. Their appointments often occurred after legal proceedings, pardons, or acquittals, and they contributed to fields like education, law, and social sciences.
- **Bill Ayers**: Co-founder of the Weather Underground, a militant group responsible for bombings of government buildings and banks in protest of the Vietnam War. Served as Distinguished Professor of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago until his retirement in 2010.
- **Bernadine Dohrn**: Leader of the Weather Underground, involved in bombings and charged with aggravated battery and bail-jumping (served seven months for contempt). Appointed as a faculty member and director of the Children and Family Justice Center at Northwestern University School of Law.
- **Kathy Boudin**: Member of the Weather Underground and the Black Liberation Army; participated in the 1981 Brink's armored car robbery that killed two police officers and a guard. Served 22 years in prison, then became an adjunct professor at Columbia University School of Social Work.
- **Angela Davis**: Affiliated with the Black Panther Party; charged in connection with the 1970 Marin County courthouse shootout (four deaths), though acquitted. Held faculty positions including at the University of California, Santa Cruz, where she was a professor emerita in the History of Consciousness Department.
- **Susan Rosenberg**: Member of the May 19th Communist Organization, involved in bombings and the 1981 Brink's robbery; sentenced to 58 years (pardoned after 16). Served as a visiting professor at Hunter College, City University of New York.
- **Judith Clark**: Accomplice in the 1981 Brink's robbery; served 36 years before parole. Appointed adjunct instructor at SUNY Empire State College's Prison Education Program.
- **Jamal Joseph**: Charged as part of the Panther 21 conspiracy to bomb New York landmarks (acquitted); former Black Panther. Became a professor of media studies at the City University of New York.
- **Leonard Peltier**: Convicted for the 1975 killing of two FBI agents during a Wounded Knee-related shootout (left-wing/American Indian Movement affiliation; maintains innocence). While primarily an activist, he has lectured as an adjunct instructor at select institutions like Lehigh Carbon Community College during periods of temporary release.
Right-Wing
No clear examples were identified of individuals directly associated with right-wing terrorism or political violence who later secured faculty appointments at American universities. Historical right-wing violence, such as KKK activities or militia actions, rarely led to academic rehabilitation, and searches yielded only authors of extremist texts (e.g., William Pierce, a former physics professor who left academia to lead the neo-Nazi National Alliance) rather than post-violence faculty roles. Modern right-wing extremists, like those involved in the January 6 Capitol riot, have faced professional disqualifications rather than academic opportunities.
Me: Any others?
Grok:
### Left-Wing
After further review of historical records and academic sources, here are additional individuals associated with left-wing political violence or terrorism who later secured faculty appointments at U.S. universities. These build on the previous list, focusing on those involved in 1960s–1980s radical groups like the Black Panthers, Weather Underground affiliates, or animal rights extremism. As before, appointments often followed legal resolutions, and their roles were in fields like media, philosophy, or education.
- **Assata Shakur (born Joanne Chesimard)**: Convicted for the 1973 murder of a New Jersey state trooper during a shootout involving Black Liberation Army members (escaped prison in 1979; granted asylum in Cuba). Served as an adjunct instructor in Black studies at several U.S. institutions, including Yale University in the 1970s prior to her fugitive status.
- **David Gilbert**: Member of the Weather Underground and May 19th Communist Organization; participated in the 1981 Brink's armored car robbery that killed two police officers and a guard (served 40 years before parole in 2021). Appointed as a part-time lecturer in history and sociology at select New York community colleges post-release.
- **Mutulu Shakur**: Black Liberation Army member involved in the 1981 Brink's robbery and earlier bank expropriations; convicted on federal charges including conspiracy (served 60 years until death in 2023). Lectured as a visiting scholar on health and social justice at institutions like Malcolm X College before his final incarceration.
- **Mike Rosen**: Symbionese Liberation Army member involved in kidnappings and the 1973 shootout that killed six (served time; later changed identity). Became an adjunct professor of communications at a California state university in the 1990s.
- **Steve Best**: Founder of the Animal Liberation Press Office, which supports the Animal Liberation Front (designated a domestic terrorist group by the FBI for arsons and vandalism); no direct violence conviction but promotes "direct action" tactics. Held faculty positions in philosophy at the University of Texas, El Paso, until 2014.
### Right-Wing
Extensive searches across academic databases, extremism trackers, and historical analyses continue to yield no verified examples of individuals directly involved in right-wing terrorism or political violence who later obtained faculty appointments at American universities. Cases like William Pierce (author of *The Turner Diaries* and neo-Nazi leader) involved leaving academia *for* extremism, not the reverse. Modern right-wing figures, such as those linked to the January 6 Capitol riot or militia groups, have faced deplatforming and professional barriers rather than academic opportunities. This asymmetry highlights differing paths to institutional reintegration across ideologies.
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On some dimensions of this issue, there are no “both sides”…
sturg33
I
Im not exaggerating when I say they are Marxists and a well educated society would treat Marxists worse than we treat nazis
sturg33
I
Where's that emoji for crickets?
Our academic marxist is writing fantasy love letters to himself
Skip college, kiddos
In the next twenty years I think college enrollment will plummet. Maybe 50% of the figure we are seeing today.
Employees are starting to ignore degrees as some barrier for entry into the private workforce.
The world will be better off because of it.
Damning - leftism is a mental disease
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
This was amazing work.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
It would be interesting to see a list of politicians who studied under these leaders of intellectualism.
sturg33
I
99.9th percentile
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Yes. He is in the 99.9th percentile for American blood on his hands. Far outclassed Angela Davis and Ayers.
I have a lefty friend who recently retired. He went to jail as a conscientious objector. His career and lifetime financial earnings were damaged due to his political beliefs. He didn't realize his potential as a scholar because of it. I've never heard a whine escape from his lips because of the unfairness of it all. I have a couple MAGA guys in my department. Complete assholes even setting aside their politics. I have one libertarian colleague. A prince of a man. Small sample but I don't hesitate to extrapolate from it.
People do make career choices based on politics. It doesn't bother me that police and other law enforcement skew right. As long as this does not reflect a flawed process.
Academia skews left. Mostly due to self-selection. Mostly. Some of it is due to the selection process and we need to fix that where it is a problem.
When I went to academia full time four years ago the thing that helped me most was relatability. At lunch during my interview we spent most of our time talking baseball and soccer. One of the members of the search committee, who had played soccer at a high level, was suspicious. She asked me if I had done due diligence on their interests. Maybe I should have but the answer was no. I just found a place where I fit in and politics never remotely entered the process.
I have a lefty friend who recently retired. He went to jail as a conscientious objector. His career and lifetime financial earnings were damaged due to his political beliefs. He didn't realize his potential as a scholar because of it. I've never heard a whine escape from his lips because of the unfairness of it all. I have a couple MAGA guys in my department. Complete assholes even setting aside their politics. I have one libertarian colleague. A prince of a man. Small sample but I don't hesitate to extrapolate from it.
People do make career choices based on politics. It doesn't bother me that police and other law enforcement skew right. As long as this does not reflect a flawed process.
Academia skews left. Mostly due to self-selection. Mostly. Some of it is due to the selection process and we need to fix that where it is a problem.
When I went to academia full time four years ago the thing that helped me most was relatability. At lunch during my interview we spent most of our time talking baseball and soccer. One of the members of the search committee, who had played soccer at a high level, was suspicious. She asked me if I had done due diligence on their interests. Maybe I should have but the answer was no. I just found a place where I fit in and politics never remotely entered the process.
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nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I also have quite a few colleagues in my department who are immigrants. None are agents for China or anyone else. Almost all have become American citizens. The one exception probably will at some point.. Their children are Americans. But they reject certain aspects of American culture (mostly having to do with insufficient emphasis on the importance of education). And their children will be better off for that. Children of immigrants do well. Children of immigrant academics are rock stars. If we best China in the contest that looms before us it will largely be because of those children of immigrants. It won't be because of anti-intellectual old stock Americans with their grievances about the unfairness of it all.
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