Why Academics Leftists and Elitists Need to Treat Ordinary Americans With Respect

nsacpi said:
It's not that hard. We just choose to make immigration policy into a political football.
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Do you object to this or any administration enforcing the current immigration laws?

To me it’s pretty simple, the penalty for coming to this country illegally is deportation. Each administration chooses to enforce this to varying degrees (Obama and Trump are more hardliners than Biden). If you want more immigrants to get paid below a living wage to change diapers, then you’re welcome to present a policy idea that accomplishes that. I imagine it wouldn’t be very popular though.
 
chop2chip said:
Do you object to this or any administration enforcing the current immigration laws?

To me it’s pretty simple, the penalty for coming to this country illegally is deportation. Each administration chooses to enforce this to varying degrees (Obama and Trump are more hardliners than Biden). If you want more immigrants to get paid below a living wage to change diapers, then you’re welcome to present a policy idea that accomplishes that. I imagine it wouldn’t be very popular though.
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Increase the speed of the legal immigration/asylum process and provide more visas for low-wage workers coming to fill that gap in the labor market?
 
thethe said:
Why should we increase the speed?
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A less cumbersome process encourages better adherence to it, and if we more efficiently process things like asylum claims or work visas, I think it’ll also shift the left toward more reasonable responses to deportation.
 
mqt said:
A less cumbersome process encourages better adherence to it, and if we more efficiently process things like asylum claims or work visas, I think it’ll also shift the left toward more reasonable responses to deportation.
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No - I think jumping through hoops to enter hte greatest country in the world naturally filters out those we wouldn't want here.
 
thethe said:
No - I think jumping through hoops to enter hte greatest country in the world naturally filters out those we wouldn't want here.
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I don’t actually give two shits if the people coming in are particularly good at handling inane bureaucracy, but you do you.
 
chop2chip said:
Do you object to this or any administration enforcing the current immigration laws?
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I'm one of the few law-and-order guys here. We have laws. We should enforce them. That isn't inconsistent with making the observation that Americans exploit and benefit from illegal immigration. I would also add that when discussing policy it is not a bad thang to point out the consequences of those policies.
 
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mqt said:
I don’t actually give two shits if the people coming in are particularly good at handling inane bureaucracy, but you do you.
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Ah the damn bureaucracy of making sure you are a good fit. Should definitely be more of a rubber stamp.
 
thethe said:
Ah the damn bureaucracy of making sure you are a good fit. Should definitely be more of a rubber stamp.
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I didn’t say *no* process. But it doesn’t surprise me much that government red tape is apparently another thing that’s cool when your side does it.
 
mqt said:
I didn’t say *no* process. But it doesn’t surprise me much that government red tape is apparently another thing that’s cool when your side does it.
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Governments purpose is to protect its citizens. I want a rigorous process when we are importing from the rest of the world that has a lot of shit in it.
 
thethe said:
Governments purpose is to protect its citizens. I want a rigorous process when we are importing from the rest of the world that has a lot of shit in it.
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You’re just setting up a false dichotomy here. I’m sure every step and delay in the legal immigration process is absolutely vital for public safety.
 
mqt said:
You’re just setting up a false dichotomy here. I’m sure every step and delay in the legal immigration process is absolutely vital for public safety.
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Sounds a lot like Voter ID is racist because someone has to go to an office to get one.
 
mqt said:
Increase the speed of the legal immigration/asylum process and provide more visas for low-wage workers coming to fill that gap in the labor market?
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It sounds like we agree that illegal immigration does not rock. That’s good.

After that is where we diverge. Your worldview is rampant legal immigration is a good thang and any policy that accelerates legal immigration is a net good. I support a very aggressive border control policy and an increase in a broad range of work visas based upon the needs of the United States. If folks want to come here legally on a work visa to change my diaper, I’m all for it. Once we hit a quota, then time to shut off that valve.

Jaws framed it well. It’s like going to the grocery store. Grab the things we need and pass on the things we don’t.
 
chop2chip said:
It sounds like we agree that illegal immigration does not rock. That’s good.

After that is where we diverge. Your worldview is rampant legal immigration is a good thang and any policy that accelerates legal immigration is a net good. I support a very aggressive border control policy and an increase in a broad range of work visas based upon the needs of the United States. If folks want to come here legally on a work visa to change my diaper, I’m all for it. Once we hit a quota, then time to shut off that valve.

Jaws framed it well. It’s like going to the grocery store. Grab the things we need and pass on the things we don’t.
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I’d add that I’d personally expect a path to legal residency and citizenship to be available to those visa holders provided the worker remains in good legal standing and is contributing to society or obtaining skills or certifications. This would be separate from asylum seekers and other situations that call for admission through standard means, and I would have no qualms having stringent, bordering on uncaring requirements for moving from such a work visa to legal residency as this would be a group of immigrants who’d likely just not have the opportunity otherwise. But I do still think we need some mechanism in place to prevent bright and talented workers on work visas becoming trapped in inescapable indentured servitude.
 
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