acesfull86
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It’s like someone dropped red M&M’s on a piece of paper and wherever they landed they landed.
Why Academics Leftists and Elitists Need to Treat Ordinary Americans With Respect
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msstate7
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I know a community college down the road from me lost the ability to get student loans for programs that weren't placing graduates for jobs or high rate of default on graduates.
Didn't realize there were penalties for schools until I heard this recently. These penalties need to be expanded. If the school is putting out graduates that can't get jobs in their field, they should lose all federal funding for those programs.
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msstate7
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Who needs reading? Teaching about gender is real life skills
nsacpi
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It is a shocking thang that schools that don't perform have consequences such as you just described.
msstate7
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There obviously isn't enough if half of college graduates say they wasted their time
chop2chip
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I think college is a fantastic thing for a lot of people. I think it’s a good social experience for a lot.
But I agree with your suggestion that many that go to college wasted their time, and most of them took on a significant amount of debt they’ll never pay back.
57Brave
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Because the "ordinary Americans" referred to here gave us Trump part 2.
Knowing full well his temperament
Down the road history will demand an explanation
of "ordinary americans"
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Jack Hopkins
2h
Jack Hopkins Now
Trump tells Iran to "open the Fuckin' Strait" all hell will break loose.
Sure, that’s the language I might use…but…I’m just a guy on social media. Not the President of the United States.
Paging President Obama.
Knowing full well his temperament
Down the road history will demand an explanation
of "ordinary americans"
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Jack Hopkins
2h
Jack Hopkins Now
Trump tells Iran to "open the Fuckin' Strait" all hell will break loose.
Sure, that’s the language I might use…but…I’m just a guy on social media. Not the President of the United States.
Paging President Obama.
nsacpi
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I see the full range every week. I'd say most benefit but a significant number are wasting their parents' or the taxpayers' money. And their time.
At the same time the overall payoff to federal subsidies to education (including all of the waste, defaults on loans, etc) is 7 to 1. That's a hell of a return on investment. Every federal dollar spent on education generates 7 dollars in extra tax revenues. And this doesn't include the benefit to the individual (the so-called education premium).
nsacpi
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Don't sell yourself short. He is a bigger clown than any of us.
msstate7
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I'm more concerned with the colleges offering majors that are essentially worthless.
57Brave
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Not a betting man, but betting the freshly HS graduated student working a trade pays about $7.25 an hour about the same
asa 1st year student on scholarship
Unions used to police entrance level pay, but with the pox on unions post Reagan why should an 18 year old work for minimum wage toting shovels of dirt or carrying rolls of wine 8 hours a day 5 days a week rather than being with young women all day for virtually the same money.
I'm sure everyone has anecdotal evidence to counter that assumption .
Should we re - insentivise labor apprentice culture again, betting the issue of college loan debt will all but disappear.
It just doesn't pay to go into trades as it did when I was young and un trained
asa 1st year student on scholarship
Unions used to police entrance level pay, but with the pox on unions post Reagan why should an 18 year old work for minimum wage toting shovels of dirt or carrying rolls of wine 8 hours a day 5 days a week rather than being with young women all day for virtually the same money.
I'm sure everyone has anecdotal evidence to counter that assumption .
Should we re - insentivise labor apprentice culture again, betting the issue of college loan debt will all but disappear.
It just doesn't pay to go into trades as it did when I was young and un trained
chop2chip
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Yea. I agree with this.
My criticisms towards college have less to do with the institutions themselves, and more towards the “one size fits all” guidance young people receive.
The education premium is real, but also not necessarily obtainable for every person. There’s a lot of young people who are done a disservice for not recognizing that.
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My criticism is so many keave college thinking socialism and communism are preferable to capitalism
nsacpi
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I think it cuts both ways. There are some young people with the aptitude to benefit from a college education that don't even consider it due to the social milieu in which they are socialized. And then you have those without the aptitude who grow up in families where that is the expectation. Those families are often in a position to pay "full freight", which effectively subsidizes everyone else.