Why did Bobby Cox retire?

Southcack77 said:
Losing to Phillies the following year was much more questionable.
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Yeah, but to be fair 2 of the 4 losses were Curt Schilling just being curt schilling. Dude is a beast in the playoffs. If he didn't play for the sorry ass phillies most of his career and for the Braves instead, we'd be lauding over him like we do Smoltz. Possibly more because he was a better overall pitcher than Smoltz.
 
zitothebrave said:
Yeah, but to be fair 2 of the 4 losses were Curt Schilling just being curt schilling. Dude is a beast in the playoffs. If he didn't play for the sorry ass phillies most of his career and for the Braves instead, we'd be lauding over him like we do Smoltz. Possibly more because he was a better overall pitcher than Smoltz.
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I'm going to have a hard time getting over you saying that about Smoltz.

I concede that Schilling was really good, but that's a bridge too far. I don't care if was true or not (don't think it really was but numbers and stuff).
 
Southcack77 said:
I'm going to have a hard time getting over you saying that about Smoltz.

I concede that Schilling was really good, but that's a bridge too far. I don't care if was true or not (don't think it really was but numbers and stuff).
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Schilling was a HOF level talent. Put him on a good Braves team for a decade plus and he would of been thought of the same as Smoltzie
 
thewupk said:
Schilling was a HOF level talent. Put him on a good Braves team for a decade plus and he would of been thought of the same as Smoltzie
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I'm sure I would have liked him better if he was a Brave. But he wasn't, so I don't.

I wouldn't fight him being in the HOF much. I think you could argue that he and Mussina and Glavine and Smoltz could all be let in or all left out. 8 from that era is a lot. Just eyeballing things, I'm not sure who the next guy after them would be.

Kershaw maybe. I don't think Halladay gets there.
 
Southcack77 said:
I'm sure I would have liked him better if he was a Brave. But he wasn't, so I don't.

I wouldn't fight him being in the HOF much. I think you could argue that he and Mussina and Glavine and Smoltz could all be let in or all left out. 8 from that era is a lot. Just eyeballing things, I'm not sure who the next guy after them would be.

Kershaw maybe. I don't think Halladay gets there.
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They all deserve to be in but Glavine was the worst of the group. He's in over them for 1 reason.

And Verlander/Sabathia are next in line assuming Halladay doesn't get the sympathy vote.
 
thewupk said:
They all deserve to be in but Glavine was the worst of the group. He's in over them for 1 reason.

And Verlander/Sabathia are next in line assuming Halladay doesn't get the sympathy vote.
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Well three reasons: 300 Ws, and 2 Cy Youngs. Well four: for some reason he gets a lot of credit in the media for Game 6 of the 95 WS, which is undeniably silly.

I agree he's probably the weakest of the group. I think his inclusion is maybe Mussina's strongest argument.
 
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