Winter Meetings Thread

My complaint is that some people who aren't actually in baseball front offices look at things like war and surplus value and act as though they are very precise measurements that no one would deviate from much.

I don't think that is true at all.

The value of having an ace or a elite hitter is much greater to a team's winning chances than the surplus value of having a reasonably price mid rotation piece or slightly above average hitter for an extended period of time.

Sure this figures help visualize long term roster management a little bit better perhaps but ultimately the game is at some point more about winning and the beat players than it is maximizing value over an extended period of time.

Rosters are going to fluctuate and values will be recalculated and redistribute bytes over time. And sometimes sacrificing a year or two is the move.

I just think there is a false sense of certainty about the accuracy of numbers at times as well as a lack of vision as to what the actual game requires.

Particularly projects of minor league players. Don't tell me about Abies surplus MLB value before he's completely mastered AA. For example.

Nothing is going to be precise but there are guides from what to work with.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/chris-sale-makes-the-red-sox-the-al-team-to-beat/

Dave Cameron predicted that exact package (2 headliners at least) for Sale back in the summer based on their surplus value. It's a real thing.
 
This is what I was hoping to see. Mallex needs to play everyday at AAA to start out, and we need to add a RH CF . . . even if it's just a Rule 5 or MiLB guy.

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This is what I was hoping to see. Mallex needs to play everyday at AAA to start out, and we need to add a RH CF . . . even if it's just a Rule 5 or MiLB guy.

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Third option would be to trade him. It's not something I would do lightly but I would consider it in the right deal.
 
This is what I was hoping to see. Mallex needs to play everyday at AAA to start out, and we need to add a RH CF . . . even if it's just a Rule 5 or MiLB guy.

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Rangers called about Inciarte...would they like Mallex? One thing the Rangers have is some options for decent catchers. Nobody is going to be Buster Posey nor would you get that for Mallex. But we might be able to get a good, cost controlled catcher who can bat 8th and not embarrass himself w/ good defense.
 
This is what I was hoping to see. Mallex needs to play everyday at AAA to start out, and we need to add a RH CF . . . even if it's just a Rule 5 or MiLB guy.

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This is exactly what I have been advocating for months. Ender and Mallex need to both be in CF everyday (even if not in Atlanta) to maximize their value to the organization. All the talk around here about Mallex in LF or as the 4th OFer would be an inexcusable waste of his value.

Hopefully DOB is echoing the thoughts of the FO here.
 
Nothing is going to be precise but there are guides from what to work with.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/chris-sale-makes-the-red-sox-the-al-team-to-beat/

Dave Cameron predicted that exact package (2 headliners at least) for Sale back in the summer based on their surplus value. It's a real thing.

But I have been mocked repeatedly for referencing things written by FG. How could that site be good at valuing players when geniuses like Clv and Gov and Matt tell me otherwise?
 
This thread would be like 12 pages and somewhat informative if we didn't have the WAR\pissing contest\chest beating. Good Lord.
 
I am glad JT and Folty are still Braves. I expect them to be really good this year and still predict Wisler to reemerge as a solid 3+ starter.
 
Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal

Another rival exec says EE “perfect” for #Indians. A third notes that CLE wants to maximize window with pitching entirely intact in ’17.

Edwin with that pitching, man...
 
Don't you have some derp ideas to spread somewhere? Like how the Braves are still going to get Archer?

Is your ex really crazy, or just tired of living with such an insufferable idiot?

It would be awesome if you'd start a meritricious relationship with her. Tell you what, I'll pay you $500/mo.

Just make sure that by the time she starts boiling bunnies, you're long gone.
 
Anyone considering offering a similar package that got Chris Sale for Chris Archer has clearly lost their mind. The pitchers aren't comparable.

Ageeed. People fall in love with control years and don't focus enough on the quality of player.
 
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