Already the time of year where FO getting desperate and bringing up not ready Blair and Wisler to bigs to have them get shelled.
Wisler called up again.
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bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
For someone who nevers pays attention to this rule. Doesn't every time they call one of these guys up and then sends them down is an option burned. Or is that once a year.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
once per year
All it takes is one. They also get ML pay for rest of year regardless if they get sent down the next day or not. Just have to be on the roster for one day, so it's a win-win.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
Yeah knew that. But wiz and Blair were already on 40 man. So they had their salary.
cajunrevenge
Well-known member
Uh, an option isn't a big deal unless you think they were going to keep him in the minors all year.
My issue has nothing to do with options or pay, not my concern. What I dont like is that if you want him to be a starter and fix himself, then give it time in the minors or let him start in Atl.
Moving him from rotation to bullpen and back will mess him up. Different mindsets, different throwing routines, different confidence.
Moving him from rotation to bullpen and back will mess him up. Different mindsets, different throwing routines, different confidence.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
David Hernandez is the guy I would have called up. He is doing well in Gwinnett. He is a reliever with major league experience.
He is not on the 40-man roster, but I believe there is one opening. Plus there is the option of moving Micah Johnson to the 60-day DL, which would create an additional opening.
He is not on the 40-man roster, but I believe there is one opening. Plus there is the option of moving Micah Johnson to the 60-day DL, which would create an additional opening.
Not sure why there's concern over burning options with Wisler. If he's not ready to be a rotation piece at the end of this season, he will have been passed by SEVERAL people in the system. We have an option on Dickey for 2018, so that gives you your top 3 SPs (along with Julio and Folty).
Given the fact that Weigel, Allard, and Soroka have all seemed to react well while being pushed this season, all three COULD (yes, it's too early to say "will") be ready to help in late 2018. Re-sign Big Sexy if he wants to come back for another year or add another veteran trade candidate for the 2018 All-Star Break - there will be plenty of those available in the event Blair, Newcomb, or Sims don't take a step forward.
Given the fact that Weigel, Allard, and Soroka have all seemed to react well while being pushed this season, all three COULD (yes, it's too early to say "will") be ready to help in late 2018. Re-sign Big Sexy if he wants to come back for another year or add another veteran trade candidate for the 2018 All-Star Break - there will be plenty of those available in the event Blair, Newcomb, or Sims don't take a step forward.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
We are not burning an option with this move. The option was used at the end of spring training and is good for the whole year.
Wisler is a player I would have left to pitch as a starter this year, whether in AAA or the majors.
I mentioned in another thread that we have a number of relievers in AAA who are doing well. David Hernandez is probably the best of the lot.
We need someone like Hernandez to pitch the 7th and push Ramirez to more of a specialist role. We do not need two long men--Collmenter and Wisler. That's not an efficient way to construct a bullpen. You go with one long man and if necessary use the AAA shuttle to keep a fresh arm available during periods when the pen is stressed from a high work load.
Southcack77
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It's a little hard to imagine two rookie starters breaking camp with the club next year. I'd look for Braves to bring in another starter next season. Maybe two.
JMO, but it's far too early for me to have a feel for what the brass is liable to do at the beginning of next season at this juncture.
I definitely agree that breaking camp with two rookies is unlikely - however, I'm quite sure none of us saw signings of Colon and Dickey and a trade for Garcia back in the winter of 2015 either. The point is that there are now enough arms in the higher levels of our system that there's always the chance that it could happen.
What part of my point that they could easily decide to pick up Dickey's option and re-sign Bartolo (or add another one of the many veteran arms that'll be available) for one year (or maybe a 1 + 1 deal like Dickey's) to only leave them with one opening didn't make that clear? Assuming that happened, you'd then have an open competition for the #5 spot between Wisler, Blair, Sims, Newcomb, and potentially Fried, Weigel, Allard, and Soroka next spring.
I could see Fried and Newcomb definitely in the rotation next year and really probably at the trade deadline. I could also see the #5 spot taken by the Sims, Blair, Wisler winner. My guess is that they will be late season call ups. They will see how they handle the big leagues. IF some or all do well, will determine if they sign anyone in the off season. If Blair and Wisler or the 15 others showed promise...no free agents would have been signed.
Folty is a good example. He didn't do great last year, but showed promise. They kept him in the rotation as they would have any others (if there would have been any).
My goodness, Colon and Dickey are great stop gaps...I like them both. I pray to God they are traded at the deadline. Do you really want to see those guys next year?? At some point very soon, Wisler and Blair at the least need to get a chance again this year, because next year it appears right now the WHOLE AA staff will be in AAA or the MLB. There will not be a spot for them in AAA.
Folty is a good example. He didn't do great last year, but showed promise. They kept him in the rotation as they would have any others (if there would have been any).
My goodness, Colon and Dickey are great stop gaps...I like them both. I pray to God they are traded at the deadline. Do you really want to see those guys next year?? At some point very soon, Wisler and Blair at the least need to get a chance again this year, because next year it appears right now the WHOLE AA staff will be in AAA or the MLB. There will not be a spot for them in AAA.
I'd argue that most people here didn't want to see them in the rotation THIS year to be honest. However, I think most people will also admit that they're far more comfortable watching them than going through a full season with a rotation of Julio, Folty, Garcia, Wisler, Blair at this point.
Given the fact that the brass is at least trying to cater to the average fan - the type who isn't interested in watching an entire roster of young kids take their lumps - only having one (or at most two) rotation spots for them is pretty reasonable when you're asking those fans to fill your new ballpark every night. What would be really embarrassing would be to run all your kids out there (like the Padres are doing now), and have 10,000 fans a night show up at that shiny new park.
Although it doesn't look like it so far, one or two of these guys in AA will falter between now and next year end (much like Sims did at AAA last year). When that happens, they will send him back to AA and open a spot or 2 for Sims, Newcomb, Wisler, or Blair next year. I expect 2 of the mentioned to be traded this off season (like Ellis, Whalen, Povse, Jenkins) and I suspect Wisler and/or Blair.