Yet Another Mass Shooting

OKHawk
No on of consequence is talking about taking anyones guns
You been watching Fox again, hadn't ya ?

Bedel
Interesting section on Conceal'ds

http://www.nationaljournal.com/s/53345/states-with-most-gun-laws-see-fewest-gun-related-deaths

Thanks. While I know correlation isn't causation, that is interesting. Be interesting to delve into a host of demographics as well.

Oh, I'd add too that there are voices of consequence that speak of buy-back programs (Feinstein and Cuomo for instance). Also, as Vol notes - the references to Australia are references to confiscation.
 
Not going to let you get away with this. "Reasonable Control" WTF does that mean? Sounds like the other pair of tits running for nomination of 'crat party who kept using "Sensible Restraints" for days after the shooting. Replace the phrase "Reasonable Control" with a policy. There are currently 13 "Reasonable Control" or "Sensible Restraints" before the Congress. None of which would have prevented any of the "mass" shootings that have been in the news lately. Stop talking like goldfly. You aren't 12 yo like him. Don't force me to start calling you okiefly!

Give me a public policy that we can put before legislators to vote on. No more fluff or bull**** phrases. Give me ideas. Just doing something for the sake of doing something is more about medicating your narcissism than preventing shootings.

You're not gonna LET me get away with this? You know one of the things I've always wondered about the Dems when something like this is they complain about guns but they never offer any real suggestions either, just let's have a dialogue, Repubs on the other hand just call for more guns in hands of more people, many of whom can't jerk off safely, or maybe saying if everyone at any of these horrible tragedies had been armed they wouldn't have happened. Perhaps but you'd have had 100 more for everyone we've already experienced. You want a reasonable policy, then YOU put it forth, or maybe you need to consult Bat**** Glenn Beck first.

By the way, my narcissism is medicated just fine thanks, maybe you should read your own posts, the typical one has more arrogant bull**** in it than all the presidential debates (from both parties) put together. In no place did I say, nor will I say, I was for removing guns or anything like it, but we've got to do a better job on who we let have access to these things. I sincerely hope neither you nor any member of your family is ever put in danger because of one of these psychopaths. I've had relatives murdered, have you? I live in McCurtain county OK, I see people damned near every day walking around who I'm almost sure are packing, whom I really wish weren't packing.

The school where I teach is very proactive about how to deal with something like this if it ever comes to our place. If they ever try to hurt me or my students someone's going to die, me or them, that's just how it is, but at least I wouldn't ever tie them in a chair and make them listen to the bull**** you listen to voluntarily every single day.

If you want to debate that's fine, if you want to come in here and toss around personal insults and political rhetoric that's so far from realistic that you can't see it with the ****ing Hubble you'd best pick a different target
 
You're not gonna LET me get away with this? You know one of the things I've always wondered about the Dems when something like this is they complain about guns but they never offer any real suggestions either, just let's have a dialogue, Repubs on the other hand just call for more guns in hands of more people, many of whom can't jerk off safely, or maybe saying if everyone at any of these horrible tragedies had been armed they wouldn't have happened. Perhaps but you'd have had 100 more for everyone we've already experienced. You want a reasonable policy, then YOU put it forth, or maybe you need to consult Bat**** Glenn Beck first.

By the way, my narcissism is medicated just fine thanks, maybe you should read your own posts, the typical one has more arrogant bull**** in it than all the presidential debates (from both parties) put together. In no place did I say, nor will I say, I was for removing guns or anything like it, but we've got to do a better job on who we let have access to these things. I sincerely hope neither you nor any member of your family is ever put in danger because of one of these psychopaths. I've had relatives murdered, have you? I live in McCurtain county OK, I see people damned near every day walking around who I'm almost sure are packing, whom I really wish weren't packing.

The school where I teach is very proactive about how to deal with something like this if it ever comes to our place. If they ever try to hurt me or my students someone's going to die, me or them, that's just how it is, but at least I wouldn't ever tie them in a chair and make them listen to the bull**** you listen to voluntarily every single day.

If you want to debate that's fine, if you want to come in here and toss around personal insults and political rhetoric that's so far from realistic that you can't see it with the ****ing Hubble you'd best pick a different target

Because they don't have any answers and probably those most pathetic people in the world to be honest. They have one mission, to control you and your actions.

I have not heard anything from them to fight issues unless it is controlling and not letting people decide how to dictate your life.
 
Thanks. While I know correlation isn't causation, that is interesting. Be interesting to delve into a host of demographics as well.

Oh, I'd add too that there are voices of consequence that speak of buy-back programs (Feinstein and Cuomo for instance). Also, as Vol notes - the references to Australia are references to confiscation.

From the graph above what I saw was Waiting Periods.
Where there are waiting periods there is less gun violence.

Speaks to a post last week from an infrequent poster here. Speaking about of the immediacy of a firearm.
Triggers get pulled in a heated moment. One has to find a rock to pick up or a poison to administer. One can fight an attacker with a knife -- whereas a shooter will always have that split second advantage.

A gun is so final. Take a week 10 days, shoot 3 days, to cool off.
That would apply to not only crimes against another but suicides

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And to Hawks assertion, if you read what (D) candidates are saying instead of the words FOX puts in their mouths you will see it is background checks and waiting periods that stand at the front of the legislative line.

To Sturgs question about NRA and their complicity. They openly finance lobbying and finance candidates to not even allow background checks and/or waiting periods.
Saying it is a slippery slope from there to confiscation.
Without an inkling of proof -- like the old newspaper saw, "if it bleeds it reads"
 
Because they don't have any answers and probably those most pathetic people in the world to be honest. They have one mission, to control you and your actions.

I have not heard anything from them to fight issues unless it is controlling and not letting people decide how to dictate your life.

Dude, seriously? You went through that entire post and that's all you got out of it? Yes, IMO the Dem party is bad. Yes, IMO they suck, but that's just the tip of the iceberg. Were the Dems the ones who started a war based on cherry picked intel, that got some of your relatives killed while just one of their buddies' companies made $40B in PROFIT from over 4,000 American deaths, over 50,000 injuries and that's not even counting the permanently emotionally scarred brave American men and women who will never be the same, and then shut down the government multiple times rather than pay for their care (and had the gaul to act like they were standing on principal when they did so)?

Oh and when you call them on it what is always their excuse? They start naming Dems who agreed with them when the Iraq War vote was taken in Congress. You know, we don't have to be responsible for the clusterfook of Iraq because the Dems, you know, those same Dems we constantly call blithering morons, who we criticize and demean every hour of every day, agreed with us. So when you use people you normally can't insult enough to satisfy your need for superiority as your justification what does that mean? Maybe that you have no other justification to use?

Are the Dems the party that produced a president they still treat like something akin to a god? You know one who raised taxes like a dozen times, cut and run multiple times in the Middle East in the face of Muslim opposition, who did some great things, like start the pebble that turned into the avalanche that ended the Cold War successfully and peacefully, then turned around and let America's already wealthiest, most powerful and influential and yes also its most pampered citizens rape and pillage the Social Security, gut all meaningful environmental standards (you know, like the ones Volkswagen just admitted "fudging on"), gut all financial regulatory rules and regulations to the point where you can knowingly sell billions of dollars in what you know are worthless bonds, loans, and other papers, and then when the bill comes due, they plead ignorance and poverty and the government has to bail them out and not a single one of them goes to jail?

Oh and while all this goes on they create a "catch phrase panacea" that everyone on any sort of social program is a "taker" who steals from good Americans like that same deity president's "welfare queen". Did the Dems do that? Did they cut billions from SNAP, then turn around and put most of that same money back into corporate welfare to already profitable poison peddlers like Monsanto?

I get why you don't want to be associated with the Dems. You have a reason that no other white poster on this board could possibly have. You don't want to be lumped in with the party that made financial addicts of most people of color in this country. I get it, I do. You need to be able to follow out Einstein's (and Newton's too for that matter) theory, you don't just look at "what happens if", but you need to look at the other side of the argument. Do you think the Repubs, on this board or otherwise, are EVER going to recognize you for what you really are? Are they ever going to care about the real you, or are they going to see you as the next Michael Steele, "a safe black man", sure a RINO but as long as he knows "his place" we'll keep him around. Sometimes there's more than one right in a given situation, but often times there's more than one wrong and this is one of those times. I have a friend, a retired navy guy, who I have had as a student several times, and he claims to hate both parties, but he listens to and reads right wing propaganda every day so guess where 98% of his criticisms go?

Vol is another example. I went off on him last night because he basically left me no choice. Most of you don't know Vol outside this board. I do. We've played fantasy football together for years. He's a man who's a great guy, smart, funny, a true self made American success story (and yes I'm being totally serious here) but when he smells or tastes politics, he's literally like a raging alcoholic or the meth or heroin addict whose hair won't grow now because they've shot up in their scalp area until everything has died up there, and their toes and feet are black and dead looking because they shot up in those veins until they too have died. Vol really is a great guy until politics comes up and then he totally loses his mind and all those years of right wing bull**** comes rushing out. He used to be a Glenn Beck fanatic. He says used to, but at the level of "crystal Beck" he was ingesting every day you don't just recover, at least until you put something more positive and life giving instead of life draining into your soul.

The top 10% in this country own 84.5% of all wealth in the nation. They hire experts to write policies that not only allow them to steal legally in plain open sight but also to keep what they steal, and they buy and sell politicians to make those policies into law. This has been going on bigtime since the reign of that Repub created demigod back in the 80s gave the keys to our future to the wealthiest Americans who felt they simply weren't quite wealthy enough and now we're all reaping the consequences. Labor unions are at an all time (or at least since there have been labor unions) low. Now I don't even really like labor unions but they are an absolute necessity since the demon spirits (yeah you heard me) who pump up men's hearts with pride and arrogance to subjugate their employees and make them live in poverty while they live in mansions like the liege lords of the Middle Ages/Feudal System. And thanks to big mouthed blowhards like Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, Malkin, and the list goes on and on, they have people praising them and giving them the big "Seig Heil" as they watch their families futures go down the drain, after all as the now famous phrase goes, "it's not personal man, it's just business".

And if they ever bother to give an excuse for any of their eff ups what is it? Well look how bad they (the Dems) are? Yeah, the party of personal responsibility. Sorry I forgot.

So, yeah the Dems are useless as a party, but how much worse are the Repubs, while spewing out morality and "American Exceptionalism" or "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" crap 24/7. And remember when they say "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" they mean do that the old fashioned way, like they did, it means you inherit yourself up by your bootstraps.

Yeah, those people are truly worth supporting. Enjoy being their Michael Steele, that's all you'll ever be to them. It's OK though because I hold you in much higher regard.
 
No statistical evidence that a waiting period for handgun purchases reduces violence

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin...dence-waiting-period-handgun-purchases-reduc/

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Most mass killings / suicides are not impulse decisions but events meticulously plotted / long debated.

30 of the 31 states with the highest rates of gun violence have no waiting period.
An abortion requires a 10 waiting (cool off) period

If one is going hunting doesn't one have the ability to plan 10-3 - 1 day to buy ammunition.
If one is going sport shooting doesn't one generally have an idea one is going shooting 10-3-1 days in advance.

If my old lady cheats with Vol I get pissed -- wouldn't 10-3-1 day of waiting (cool off) be a not bad idea?

An aside , I agree with a 10 day waiting period for abortion.
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I simply do not understand how anyone could oppose background checks or waiting periods.
Unless of course ...
 
30 of the 31 states with the highest rates of gun violence have no waiting period.
An abortion requires a 10 waiting (cool off) period

If one is going hunting doesn't one have the ability to plan 10-3 - 1 day to buy ammunition.
If one is going sport shooting doesn't one generally have an idea one is going shooting 10-3-1 days in advance.

If my old lady cheats with Vol I get pissed -- wouldn't 10-3-1 day of waiting (cool off) be a not bad idea?

An aside , I agree with a 10 day waiting period for abortion.
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I simply do not understand how anyone could oppose background checks or waiting periods.
Unless of course ...

Did you bother reading article I posted, or are you content nuzzling further into your comfortable old blanket of propagandic bliss?
 
I did. As well as Sturg's link

How to prove how often background checks avoided a catastrophe? How can you (royal) prove what didn't happen?

Even if only to prevent suicides
What do they hurt?
 
I did. As well as Sturg's link

How to prove how often background checks avoided a catastrophe? How can you (royal) prove what didn't happen?

Even if only to prevent suicides
What do they hurt?

Have I mentioned background checks at all?

My posts were addressing your magic waiting period.

I am OK with discussing background checks, but that's going to have to be a very long and very detailed debate and not some knee-jerk Patriot Act rights giveaway.
 
Meant waiting period - sorry. I even re-read it
Go ahead ... :)

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I don't see anything magical in this topic.
 
Great post Okie, one of the best.

But you know me.

I hate greed and I hate someone controlling me. Reps in greed and Dems in control. Greed I can deal with if I can partake, control over me and my thoughts I don't have the ability to obtain it and that troubles me. I can be sued if I don't like you. That is terrible. If I don't your business or like your lifestyle, tough schit, go elsewhere. When government controls that we have problems.
 
Have I mentioned background checks at all?

My posts were addressing your magic waiting period.

I am OK with discussing background checks, but that's going to have to be a very long and very detailed debate and not some knee-jerk Patriot Act rights giveaway.

are you ok with waiting periods and background checks to get a dog from the pound ?
... abortion ?
 
Of course. Otherwise I wouldn't have typed it.

I've tried to have a decent conversation. Read your little article and agreed with some of it and was willing to discuss it.
You need a girlfriend or a fish or something
 
Of course. Otherwise I wouldn't have typed it.

I would suggest revisiting the thought process behind what led you to that conclusion, for your own sake, as you are clearly advocating for a position you don't fully understand.
 
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