Yoan Moncada

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Apparently the Braves might be serious bidders for this guy:

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/101256810/cuban-phenom-yoan-moncada-impressive-in-workout

Could he be part of this mini rebuild?

What if a package including Gattis/JUp/Heyward/TLS/Walden were used to bring in a young SP like Taijuan Walker or James Paxton? Then another package of those guys used to bring in a young CFer or another IFer from the BoSox? Then the Braves go out and sign Moncada and Tomas?

Suddenly the team for 2017 looks like this:

C - CB

1B - Freeman

2B - Peraza/IFer from BoSox

3B - Moncada

SS - Simmons

LF - Tomas

CF - Peraza/CFer from trade

RF - FA signee

Rotation - Teheran, Wood, Minor, SP from trade, hale or retread

Closer - Kimbrel
 
Why the Braves aren't involved:

(jeff) Passan spoke to a pair of GMs and two other executives, and all four agreed that they expect the 19-year-old Moncada to land an incredible $30-40MM bonus.
 
rico43 said:
Why the Braves aren't involved:

(jeff) Passan spoke to a pair of GMs and two other executives, and all four agreed that they expect the 19-year-old Moncada to land an incredible $30-40MM bonus.
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We had as many people there as the Red Sox I believe . The bonus would prevent us from signing anyone over 300k, which I'm not sure we do anyway.

This kid is supposedly a phenom that can play anywhere other than pitcher and catcher, from what's being written
 
Braves have a lot of money right now. Its just depeendent on if they think it makes sense to spend it.

They probably have determined it doesn't make sense to spend big money on a guy whose best skill will deteriorate in the next 3-5 years.
 
Looks like it could make a difference if he's declared a free agent this international signing period or the next one beginning July 2. A lot of the bigger market teams have already exhausted their international spending pool for this period and would take a huge luxury tax hit for signing him to a $30-$40M bonus. Of course every team would be in the luxury tax at that level of bonus as I understand it but some more so than others. So which year's pool it counts against could make a difference for some teams including the Braves.
 
thethe said:
Braves have a lot of money right now. Its just depeendent on if they think it makes sense to spend it.

They probably have determined it doesn't make sense to spend big money on a guy whose best skill will deteriorate in the next 3-5 years.
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yeezus said:
LMAO how do you know his best skill will deteriorate in 3-5 years? He's 25. I doubt the FO is thinking "oh he's got 3-5 years left of being a good defender." Get outta here.
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The greatest defensive player of all time (aside from Willie Mays) fell off of a cliff.

My point was that I think the Braves have money and if they dthink this kid is a good use of it they will.
 
thethe said:
The greatest defensive player of all time (aside from Willie Mays) fell off of a cliff.

My point was that I think the Braves have money and if they dthink this kid is a good use of it they will.
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So you think Heyward is going to get fat and develop back and knee issues? Forgetting about the fact that center is much more demanding than right. You can never assume anything but if Heyward stays in shape then he should be a plus defender into his early 30's.
 
thewupk said:
So you think Heyward is going to get fat and develop back and knee issues? Forgetting about the fact that center is much more demanding than right. You can never assume anything but if Heyward stays in shape then he should be a plus defender into his early 30's.
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I would agree that Heyward will still be a really good defensive player until his early 30's but he isn't going to be the best right fielder of all time which is what he basically was for the last three years. The Braves can't pay him for what he did in the past. I'm all for keeping Heyward here but hte money he is making in his next contract has to figure into a diminished return on his defensive contributions in comparison to the past. The idea is that he should be able to make it up with his bat improving but that is far from a sure thing.
 
rico43 said:
Why the Braves aren't involved:

(jeff) Passan spoke to a pair of GMs and two other executives, and all four agreed that they expect the 19-year-old Moncada to land an incredible $30-40MM bonus.
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Why the Braves may well be involved:

A club that pays signing bonuses that exceed its 2013-14 ISBP by 15%+ must pay a 100% tax on the overage, and is prohibited from paying a bonus in excess of $250K to any international first-year player in the next ISP; a club that pays signing bonuses that exceed its 2014-15 ISBP by 10-15% must pay a 100% tax on the ISBP overage, and no player may be signed to a bonus of $300K or more in both the 2015-16 and 2016-17 ISPs.

Any team signing Moncada will have to forfeit control of ALL players they signed during this year's July 2nd signing period IF Moncada isn't included with the current class. Assuming he counts against next year's class, many of the traditional big-spenders won't be able to sign him without voiding the contracts of ALL the players they signed this July (the Yankees signed 8 of this year's Top 30 for example).

We were mysteriously quiet this July for once, and only signed Jose Yepez.

Not going back on your word is a big thing to many of the people involved in the international market.

I don't mean to infer that we WILL sign Moncada, but money certainly isn't an issue IF the braintrust decides to commit to a quick rebuild for 2017.

1.) Sign Moncada, Jose Fernandez, and Yasmany Tomas or Lourdes Gourriel

2.) Trade Upton for Taijuan Walker and Gabriel Guerrero

3.) Trade Heyward for Nava, Eduardo Rodriguez, and Rafael Devers

4.) Trade Gattis for Renato Nunez and Drew Pomeranz

5.) Trade Minor for prospects

6.) Go back to the "Braves Way" and draft pitching, pitching, pitching (particularly high schoolers) for the next few years

and all of a sudden the system's loaded for 2017 with Freeman as the only contract on the books of any consequence so you can sign free-agents in the event any of the youngsters aren't ready by 2017.

CF- Peraza

RF- Moncada

1B- Freeman

3B- Nunez

LF- Tomas/Gourriel

2B- Fernandez

SS- Simmons

C- Bethancourt

SPs- Teheran, Wood, Walker, Rodriguez, Pomeranz
 
Borass sent 2 minions to try and steal Moncada at one of his workouts. His agent had them thrown off the property by armed guards. That's awesome.

I am not getting my hopes up on Moncada. Unless he is a Felix Hernandez type talent I don't see them signing him.
 
clvclv said:
Why the Braves may well be involved:

A club that pays signing bonuses that exceed its 2013-14 ISBP by 15%+ must pay a 100% tax on the overage, and is prohibited from paying a bonus in excess of $250K to any international first-year player in the next ISP; a club that pays signing bonuses that exceed its 2014-15 ISBP by 10-15% must pay a 100% tax on the ISBP overage, and no player may be signed to a bonus of $300K or more in both the 2015-16 and 2016-17 ISPs.

Any team signing Moncada will have to forfeit control of ALL players they signed during this year's July 2nd signing period IF Moncada isn't included with the current class. Assuming he counts against next year's class, many of the traditional big-spenders won't be able to sign him without voiding the contracts of ALL the players they signed this July (the Yankees signed 8 of this year's Top 30 for example).

We were mysteriously quiet this July for once, and only signed Jose Yepez.

Not going back on your word is a big thing to many of the people involved in the international market.

I don't mean to infer that we WILL sign Moncada, but money certainly isn't an issue IF the braintrust decides to commit to a quick rebuild for 2017.

1.) Sign Moncada, Jose Fernandez, and Yasmany Tomas or Lourdes Gourriel
2.) Trade Upton for Taijuan Walker and Gabriel Guerrero
3.) Trade Heyward for Nava, Eduardo Rodriguez, and Rafael Devers
4.) Trade Gattis for Renato Nunez and Drew Pomeranz
5.) Trade Minor for prospects
6.) Go back to the "Braves Way" and draft pitching, pitching, pitching (particularly high schoolers) for the next few years

and all of a sudden the system's loaded for 2017 with Freeman as the only contract on the books of any consequence so you can sign free-agents in the event any of the youngsters aren't ready by 2017.

CF- Peraza
RF- Moncada
1B- Freeman
3B- Nunez
LF- Tomas/Gourriel
2B- Fernandez
SS- Simmons
C- Bethancourt

SPs- Teheran, Wood, Walker, Rodriguez, Pomeranz
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I think those returns for Heyward and especially Justin are a bit too high, but that's the basic point I was trying to make in the OP. The Braves could do a very quick rebuild if they turn Heyward, Justin, and Gattis into prospects that are close to being MLB-ready and splurge on the large amount of Cuban talent that has become available recently.
 
thethe said:
I'm still talking about heyward.
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If we are doing a quick rebuild and we're not going to be able to re-sign Heyward or Upton this could be a good approach to spending some of the money. It could work out less risky than spending it on a veteran free agent in that price range.
 
Coredor said:
If we are doing a quick rebuild and we're not going to be able to re-sign Heyward or Upton this could be a good approach to spending some of the money. It could work out less risky than spending it on a veteran free agent in that price range.
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IF Stanton and Miami finalize that deal, Justin and Heyward are going to have monstrous value the minute the ink's dry.
 
Definitely and I don't see any way we could go over about 22 million per year. We might not even be able to do that. I don't like it, but it's just reality. If we could get a big haul for them then we might have a chance to rebound fairly quickly. If not 2016 could be a rough year, and we're not going to be able to replace them through free agency.
 
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