You get two FA signings and as many call-ups as you want; 2017 Lineup - Go

yeezus said:
Wilson Ramos was a severely below average hitter the last two years combined - gets an excuse.
Predictions have him slightly above average from this point on.
Not spending big on that guy. He's some BABIP luck from going closer to his 63 wRC+ last year.
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He had a 93 wRC+ in 2014 with a .290 BABIP
He had a 63 wRC+ in 2015 with a .256 BABIP
He has a 148 wRC+ in 2016 with a .351 BABIP

Hes a career 101 wRC+ hitter. If you bring up his BABIP luck in 2016, you have to also consider his unluckiness in 2015. He's likely an above league average hitter. He's been above league average in 4 of his 6 seasons ( with one season at 93) and has a career average above league average.

FWIW, zips has him at .282/.325/.447 104 wRC+ for the remainder of this year.
 
gilesfan said:
He had a 93 wRC+ in 2014 with a .290 BABIP
He had a 63 wRC+ in 2015 with a .256 BABIP
He has a 148 wRC+ in 2016 with a .351 BABIP

Hes a career 101 wRC+ hitter. If you bring up his BABIP luck in 2016, you have to also consider his unluckiness in 2015. He's likely an above league average hitter. He's been above league average in 4 of his 6 seasons ( with one season at 93) and has a career average above league average.

FWIW, zips has him at .282/.325/.447 104 wRC+ for the remainder of this year.
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If he stays healthy...
 
Not in on Matt Moore. Not for that price. I don't want to loose Acuna for him.

I do think we swing a monster trade.

IMO Tehran gets dealt at the winter meetings. Some team who has a lower payroll will value his deal more than the sox or dodgers do. I think it's a 3 team deal where we can get some controllable major league or major league ready guys and the team that gets Tehran can use some farther away guys for a team like the Padres.

I think we're signing a FA catcher. I just hope it's s 2-3 yr deal. Even if the guy wants 4/60. I'd rather pay him 2/40 with a 5 mill buy out on a 10 mill extension plus a 1 mill buy out on the next year's 10 million extension. I think Coppy is going to go 4/60 for a catcher and it's going to suck.

Really I want to be young next year. Plug in some vets on short term deals. Don't be terrible. But I want the young guys to break in. I'd like Mallex, Inciarte, Swanson, Albies, Newcombe, Simms, Jenkins, and Blair to play. Being bad and old (like this year) really sucks.
 
Russ2dollas said:
Not in on Matt Moore. Not for that price. I don't want to loose Acuna for him.

I do think we swing a monster trade.

IMO Tehran gets dealt at the winter meetings. Some team who has a lower payroll will value his deal more than the sox or dodgers do. I think it's a 3 team deal where we can get some controllable major league or major league ready guys and the team that gets Tehran can use some farther away guys for a team like the Padres.

I think we're signing a FA catcher. I just hope it's s 2-3 yr deal. Even if the guy wants 4/60. I'd rather pay him 2/40 with a 5 mill buy out on a 10 mill extension plus a 1 mill buy out on the next year's 10 million extension. I think Coppy is going to go 4/60 for a catcher and it's going to suck.

Really I want to be young next year. Plug in some vets on short term deals. Don't be terrible. But I want the young guys to break in. I'd like Mallex, Inciarte, Swanson, Albies, Newcombe, Simms, Jenkins, and Blair to play. Being bad and old (like this year) really sucks.
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I'm scared to death that Coppy is going to give Weiters 4/60+.

No way they trade Teheran if they plan to compete in 2017. If he is traded we can expect another 100 loss season.
 
Enscheff said:
Here's the thing...if the Braves are only going to spend a total of $50M this offseason on FAs, then keeping Teheran was a huge mistake. They either need to address all 4 positions of need (3B, LF, C and vet SP) this offseason, or they need to continue the rebuild and unload Teheran. They can't try to straddle both lanes and squander yet another valuable year of Teheran's control.

Trade for Matt Moore (though certainly not at the price clv offered).
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Hate to say it, but given the fact that Julio and Gray aren't going to be moved, and Sale and Archer aren't likely to be, one could make the argument that Moore's the hottest guy available at present. Before ridiculing the proposal, take a look at it as a whole, don't just pick one part of it.

Newcomb COULD turn into Moore, sure. He could just as easily turn into Jonny Venters. Sims is the "overpay" part that Tampa's going to require from anyone. Acuna is the piece to push it over the top - Mallex is controllable for some time, Grichuk and Bader are capable of playing CF, and all three would be under control until Pache reaches the higher levels of the system. We're also more likely to draft a bat early next year, and Jordan Adell, Heliot Ramos, Jeren Kendall, and Conner Uselton all look like potential targets.
 
Enscheff said:
I'm scared to death that Coppy is going to give Weiters 4/60+.

No way they trade Teheran if they plan to compete in 2017. If he is traded we can expect another 100 loss season.
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Geez... we definitely agree on some things very strongly even if we don't agree on other things... Weiters would be a nightmare.
 
Don't think that they perceive Teheran as de facto staff ace, but do think that they'd be pleased to keep him as #2. Thinking that's why the inquiries about Chris Sale are not so ridiculous. He has a reasonable contract and can handle the responsibilities that go with being a veteran #1 starter. His recent histrionics were likely out of frustration with the current situation in Chicago and to try and force a trade.
 
A modest prosal: if the Braves have targeted their free agent needs and have the budget to chase them, perhaps they should look to acquire them before the waiver deadline of August 31 for valid prospects. What that would allow them to do is keep their second round pick if they re-sign them as a free agent.

This would depend, of course, on how deep they believe this draft to be and whether or not that pick would be a solid first-round equivalent. I thought I've read that next year could be a crazy deep draft. Did I read or remember wrong?
 
rico43 said:
A modest prosal: if the Braves have targeted their free agent needs and have the budget to chase them, perhaps they should look to acquire them before the waiver deadline of August 31 for valid prospects. What that would allow them to do is keep their second round pick if they re-sign them as a free agent.
This would depend, of course, on how deep they believe this draft to be and whether or not that pick would be a solid first-round equivalent. I thought I've read that next year could be a crazy deep draft. Did I read or remember wrong?
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Hard to value a future possible prospect over a known quantity prospect
 
C- Ramos

1B- Freeman

2B- Albies

SS- Swanson

3B- Adonis

LF- Mallex

CF- Inciarte

RF- Cespedes
 
Heyward said:
C- Ramos
1B- Freeman
2B- Albies
SS- Swanson
3B- Adonis
LF- Mallex
CF- Inciarte
RF- Cespedes
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If the Braves go into 2017 with Adonis at 3B they failed miserably in the offseason. There are too many average or better players available at 3B not to upgrade the position (Desmond, Freese, Prado, Turner).
 
Enscheff said:
If the Braves go into 2017 with Adonis at 3B they failed miserably in the offseason. There are too many average or better players available at 3B not to upgrade the position.
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Yah I was willing to give Adonis a full try but that obviously didn't come close to working out. At the very least we should try Ruiz... Not that he excites me either. I thin he needs to try and develop one or two more years. He's still young for his stage. I like the idea of Freese or Prado
 
I have no research at all to back it up... I just have the feeling and see Cespedes as a player who will be successful into his mid and maybe even late 30s... He just has body type that usually holds up better over time. Cheapy 3b. Ces in RF... Trade or sign a Catcher, more open to a Castro Flowers platoon actually. Could be very productive. Neck has to go. Make a deal for Grichuck
 
I sign Justin Turner and Josh Reddick. Both seem like guys who will provide a solid safe return. Both are well liked guys in the clubhouse
I'd trade for Derek Norris and Jorge Soler. Both could be good buy low candidates. I'd trade Markakis off.
I'd promote Swanson, Albies, and Ruiz.

Norris/Flowers
Freeman
Albies
Swanson
Turner/Ruiz
Reddick
Mallex
Soler/Inciarte
 
Wilson Ramos is a guy you add to plug a hole, he's not somebody that will make much of an impact. I'd rather us go after impact elsewhere than bring him in.
 
Sticking with the rules...

Sign Carlos Beltran 1 year $18M with a team option for the same.
Sign Jake Peavy 1 year $5M with a team option for the same.

Call up no one to start the season, have a number of midseason call ups.

This all assuming no more Braves trades :mad0182:

Line up

CF M Smith
SS Jace Peterson
LF Beltran
1B Freeman
2B Gordon Beckham
RF Markakis
3B Hector Olivera
C Flowers

Bench: OF Inciarte, Inf/OF Adonis Garcia, C Anthony Recker, Util Omar Infante, OF Francouer, Util Chase d'Arnaud

Rotation: Teheran, Folty, Wisler, Gant, Peavy
Pen: Viz, Withrow, Krol, Simmons, Cabrera, Cervenka

Gotta play Olivera to try and get a return. Give him a chance to rehab himself both inside and outside baseball, but not too much of a chance. If he builds any value at all trade him as fast as you can.
Be prepared to trade essentially anyone on the ML team as constructed to start the year. Beltran especially is likely a good deadline deal piece. Give Albies and Swanson a minimum of 3 months in AAA and hopefully they earn the promotion at the trade deadline to finish out the year. Don't be afraid to move Teheran and/or Freeman for the right return.

Pare the obligated payroll as much as possible throughout the 2017 season and spend big and wisely on the FA market between 2017 and 2018.
 
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