You've been hired as GM
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Runnin
Well-known member
You continue to strike the balance of being competitive now while still planning for the future. The target is '17, as they have stated. Ride the old vets hard while getting plenty of reps for the youth brigade. Forget the playoffs this year.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
Get rid of Chris Johnson. If you don't want to hustle then you don't care.
By the way, he sucks as a player as well.
I bet you can tell I don't like quitters.
I am near 50 and I still play ball and hustle even though my body doesn't want to and I am not getting paid to play. I am so effing pissed still. I bust my ass to make ends meet and this D-bag said well I tried to steer it fair and not running, I am like what the fu*ck, you admit that? I just went ballistic.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
That was a very wise move by the ballclub.
I think I need to make some decisions with pitching to thin the herd. I don't have jobs for all of them, and I still have problems at C, 3B, LF. I see potential internal solutions at 3B and LF, but I'm definitely going to need to deal for a catcher. I might go really deep for Jonathan Lucroy, in terms of what I'd be willing to send the Brewers - couple young starters, one already ML, perhaps. Folty is always available if the dumb and desperate like him. He's fools gold.
I like the early security contracts for young players pioneered by Hart with CLE in the 90s. Yes, I'll pay some Dave Ottos, but I'll also lock in some Carlos Baergas and Joey Belles. And I'd rather overpay Otto than BJ Upton. I'd do Jace and several of the pitchers (I think it's the best money you spend, paying for years 2-8 rather than signing Jon Lester at an elderly age. And watch how the back end of Greinke's next deal ends).
I wouldn't go bat**** buying free agents. I'd pay my own, the ones who want to be here, I'd have a modest payroll and keep my powder dry as the team finds its level. And if we're in the hunt and a bat away, then I get aggressive about finding a full retail guy to plug in and hopefully take it to the house.
I think I need to make some decisions with pitching to thin the herd. I don't have jobs for all of them, and I still have problems at C, 3B, LF. I see potential internal solutions at 3B and LF, but I'm definitely going to need to deal for a catcher. I might go really deep for Jonathan Lucroy, in terms of what I'd be willing to send the Brewers - couple young starters, one already ML, perhaps. Folty is always available if the dumb and desperate like him. He's fools gold.
I like the early security contracts for young players pioneered by Hart with CLE in the 90s. Yes, I'll pay some Dave Ottos, but I'll also lock in some Carlos Baergas and Joey Belles. And I'd rather overpay Otto than BJ Upton. I'd do Jace and several of the pitchers (I think it's the best money you spend, paying for years 2-8 rather than signing Jon Lester at an elderly age. And watch how the back end of Greinke's next deal ends).
I wouldn't go bat**** buying free agents. I'd pay my own, the ones who want to be here, I'd have a modest payroll and keep my powder dry as the team finds its level. And if we're in the hunt and a bat away, then I get aggressive about finding a full retail guy to plug in and hopefully take it to the house.
msstate7
Well-known member
I like going after lucroy. I wonder what it would take.
Peterson
Lucroy
FF
FA -- LF
Maybin
Markakis
Uribe
Simmons
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
But you're the GM, man. You've got to have a plan. Otherwise you're Ruben Amaro.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
If you can squeeze one more year out of Uribe, that's stout.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
Im half awake right now, cant think of anything.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
I try and find a young hitter who is available and land him. Then fill in around him the other holes.
I call up cb and see if he can hit at all in the second half of the year while playing 4/5.
I trade everyone not in our long term plans at the deadline unless I get a better deal earlier.
Keep looking for undervalued assets. Maybe top prospects that came to mlb and struggled.
Eat cjs money. We need to maximize talent more than save money
I call up cb and see if he can hit at all in the second half of the year while playing 4/5.
I trade everyone not in our long term plans at the deadline unless I get a better deal earlier.
Keep looking for undervalued assets. Maybe top prospects that came to mlb and struggled.
Eat cjs money. We need to maximize talent more than save money
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
cajunrevenge
Well-known member
I am a big believer in the philosophy of great pitching, backed up by good defense, and a lot of speed/OBP in the lineup. I think you need atleast one franchise hitter in the middle of the lineup who is fairly consistent and we have that in Freeman. He doesnt hit .092 for a month like some other players. Here are some of the things I would try to do.
- Peraza spends the rest of the season playing every position so he can go into 2016 in the Prado role. He should be even more versatile because he can play CF and SS. I know Prado played some SS and did well defensively but it wasnt considered an option for the vast majority of his time as a Brave. Peraza should get a full season worth of at bats in this role in 2016.
- I would trade Teheran with CJ attached. Grilli too if we can. I would then look to sign either Price or Greinke. I think both are HoF pitchers who will remain relatively healthy through their early/mid thirties. I think Price is a better pitcher than Scherzer and he would dominate just like Scherzer has. We cant offer them the most money total but I would make an offer like 5 years 150 million. The 5 years is key because the contract would end when all our 2015 rookie class would be free agents. I think this would be a respectable offer, I would make it early and give them a deadline to accept or we move on. It took a long time for Scherzer's market to develop last year.
- Other than Teheran I wouldnt trade any of our pitching. I have no problem using a good starter in the bullpen if need be. My rotation would be Price/Miller/Wood/Wisler and then I would piggyback Perez and Banuelos in the 5th spot. So Banuelos would pitch 4-5 depending on how well he is doing then Perez comes in to finish the game. Unless the game goes extra innings the rest of the pen gets 1 out of every 5 games off. This would be the start of a transition to doing this for every rotation spot. I think the pitchers could go with only 3 days rest so you have a 4 game rotation. So that would take 8 pitchers leaving 4 more bullpen spots to fill in the gaps. This would limit pitchers to about 150-170 innings per year which in theory should make them less injury prone. Pitchers generally do not fair well the third time around the batting order.We have seen many starters over the years that were good thru 5 then turn into Dan Kolb in the 6th. The Rays have had some success pulling starters earlier this year to avoid the third time around the batting order specifically for that reason.
- I would try and get Tigers catcher James McCann in a Teheran/CJ deal but if that doesnt work I would strongly consider signing Matt Wieters. Yeah I wish there were better options but the fact of the matter is this position looks like a black hole going forward. We probably wont get lucky enough to get the kind of production we got from AJ this year from a random vet next year, Wieters does provide good defense, 20+HR power and is a switch hitter.
- I would re-sign Uribe and KJ. Uribe is old but he has had the best years of his career from age 35-37. I really like the power off the bench KJ has provided plus his position versatility makes him as close to the ideal bench player as I can expect to find. I would be very happy to get 20 HR's from the two combined playing 3B. I would also go after Daniel Murphy. He would make a great platoon with Uribe. No idea what kind of market he will have after a somewhat down year so far.
- I dont really trust any of the big bats to give them a ton of money. I would love for there to be some right handed .300/.400/.500 left fielder out there for us to buy but there isnt. If Heywood truly wants to be here I would offer him a lot of money but I am going to assume he gets something like 10 years 250 million in free agency. I dont trust Justin Upton or Cespedes to not go Melvin on us.
2016 Roster
-------------------
L David Price
R Shelby Miller
L Alex Wood
R Matt Wisler
L/R Banuelos/Perez
R Arodys Vizcaino
L Luis Avilan
R Shae Simmons
R David Carpenter
R Mike Foltynewicz
R Chris Withrow
S Matt Wieters
R Christian Bethancourt
L Freddie Freeman
L Jace Peterson
R Andrelton Simmons
R Juan Uribe
L Kelly Johnson
R Pedro Ciraco
S Joey Terdoslavich
R Cameron Maybin
L Nick Markakis
R Jose Peraza
L Mallex Smith
Line up
----------------------
L/R Smith/Peraza - semi platoon in CF
L Jace Peterson
R Cameron Maybin
L Freddie Freeman
R Juan Uribe
L Nick Markakis
S Matt Wieters
R Andrelton Simmons
- Peraza spends the rest of the season playing every position so he can go into 2016 in the Prado role. He should be even more versatile because he can play CF and SS. I know Prado played some SS and did well defensively but it wasnt considered an option for the vast majority of his time as a Brave. Peraza should get a full season worth of at bats in this role in 2016.
- I would trade Teheran with CJ attached. Grilli too if we can. I would then look to sign either Price or Greinke. I think both are HoF pitchers who will remain relatively healthy through their early/mid thirties. I think Price is a better pitcher than Scherzer and he would dominate just like Scherzer has. We cant offer them the most money total but I would make an offer like 5 years 150 million. The 5 years is key because the contract would end when all our 2015 rookie class would be free agents. I think this would be a respectable offer, I would make it early and give them a deadline to accept or we move on. It took a long time for Scherzer's market to develop last year.
- Other than Teheran I wouldnt trade any of our pitching. I have no problem using a good starter in the bullpen if need be. My rotation would be Price/Miller/Wood/Wisler and then I would piggyback Perez and Banuelos in the 5th spot. So Banuelos would pitch 4-5 depending on how well he is doing then Perez comes in to finish the game. Unless the game goes extra innings the rest of the pen gets 1 out of every 5 games off. This would be the start of a transition to doing this for every rotation spot. I think the pitchers could go with only 3 days rest so you have a 4 game rotation. So that would take 8 pitchers leaving 4 more bullpen spots to fill in the gaps. This would limit pitchers to about 150-170 innings per year which in theory should make them less injury prone. Pitchers generally do not fair well the third time around the batting order.We have seen many starters over the years that were good thru 5 then turn into Dan Kolb in the 6th. The Rays have had some success pulling starters earlier this year to avoid the third time around the batting order specifically for that reason.
- I would try and get Tigers catcher James McCann in a Teheran/CJ deal but if that doesnt work I would strongly consider signing Matt Wieters. Yeah I wish there were better options but the fact of the matter is this position looks like a black hole going forward. We probably wont get lucky enough to get the kind of production we got from AJ this year from a random vet next year, Wieters does provide good defense, 20+HR power and is a switch hitter.
- I would re-sign Uribe and KJ. Uribe is old but he has had the best years of his career from age 35-37. I really like the power off the bench KJ has provided plus his position versatility makes him as close to the ideal bench player as I can expect to find. I would be very happy to get 20 HR's from the two combined playing 3B. I would also go after Daniel Murphy. He would make a great platoon with Uribe. No idea what kind of market he will have after a somewhat down year so far.
- I dont really trust any of the big bats to give them a ton of money. I would love for there to be some right handed .300/.400/.500 left fielder out there for us to buy but there isnt. If Heywood truly wants to be here I would offer him a lot of money but I am going to assume he gets something like 10 years 250 million in free agency. I dont trust Justin Upton or Cespedes to not go Melvin on us.
2016 Roster
-------------------
L David Price
R Shelby Miller
L Alex Wood
R Matt Wisler
L/R Banuelos/Perez
R Arodys Vizcaino
L Luis Avilan
R Shae Simmons
R David Carpenter
R Mike Foltynewicz
R Chris Withrow
S Matt Wieters
R Christian Bethancourt
L Freddie Freeman
L Jace Peterson
R Andrelton Simmons
R Juan Uribe
L Kelly Johnson
R Pedro Ciraco
S Joey Terdoslavich
R Cameron Maybin
L Nick Markakis
R Jose Peraza
L Mallex Smith
Line up
----------------------
L/R Smith/Peraza - semi platoon in CF
L Jace Peterson
R Cameron Maybin
L Freddie Freeman
R Juan Uribe
L Nick Markakis
S Matt Wieters
R Andrelton Simmons
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
Not bad Cajun.
That pitching staff you assemble and the bullpen is really good.
Our bullpen will be nasty, but who would close? All except Avilan can be candidates.
That pitching staff you assemble and the bullpen is really good.
Our bullpen will be nasty, but who would close? All except Avilan can be candidates.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
I like the idea of Grilli and CJ packaged together for little return. I make that move and consider any other move that makes us a better team.
Come the offseason I dangle Jace or Peraza with Bethancourt for a catcher. So a move I make is Jace for McCann and cash. Yankees have **** at 2B this year. Refsnyder is a very nice prospect, so maybe this changes, but I can see this working out for both teams especially if the Yankees go after Wieters.
Then I trade Maybin for the best possible prospect haul. Or Markakis if anyone takes his salary.
OK so that's my trades.
Then I sign Jason to say a 7/160 deal. Maybe he takes more but I think that should get it done. Then I sign Price for whatever the hell it takes.
2016 Braves (eventual lineup when everyone is situated with roles
CF - Smith
2B - Jace/Peraza
RF - Jason
1B - Freddie
C - Mac
SS - Simmons
LF - Maybin/Markakis
3B - Ruiz
Risk to lineup is it's very lefty heavy. Especially cause i don't expect us to unload Markakis. Advantage to it though is we have a strong middle and good skill players throughout. OOnly other move to consider is resigning El Juan Chubbard the second. Not sure if he'd stay on a 1 year deal though.
Rotation
Price
Miller
Wood
Julio
Folty/Wisler/Man Ban/etc..
Pen
Viz
McKirahan
Simmons
Avilan
Sprinkle in as well one or 2 of our "excess" starters like we did with Medlen and Wood, pen should have some firepower.
Strengths t othis team. Defense, Strong up the middle at 2B, C and SS. Strong in the OF by taking our worst OF and putting thme at LF. Lots of guys who are patient and can walk. Lots of speed as well. Assume we trade Jace we have Smith, Peraza, and Heyward as all 20+ SB guys.
Come the offseason I dangle Jace or Peraza with Bethancourt for a catcher. So a move I make is Jace for McCann and cash. Yankees have **** at 2B this year. Refsnyder is a very nice prospect, so maybe this changes, but I can see this working out for both teams especially if the Yankees go after Wieters.
Then I trade Maybin for the best possible prospect haul. Or Markakis if anyone takes his salary.
OK so that's my trades.
Then I sign Jason to say a 7/160 deal. Maybe he takes more but I think that should get it done. Then I sign Price for whatever the hell it takes.
2016 Braves (eventual lineup when everyone is situated with roles
CF - Smith
2B - Jace/Peraza
RF - Jason
1B - Freddie
C - Mac
SS - Simmons
LF - Maybin/Markakis
3B - Ruiz
Risk to lineup is it's very lefty heavy. Especially cause i don't expect us to unload Markakis. Advantage to it though is we have a strong middle and good skill players throughout. OOnly other move to consider is resigning El Juan Chubbard the second. Not sure if he'd stay on a 1 year deal though.
Rotation
Price
Miller
Wood
Julio
Folty/Wisler/Man Ban/etc..
Pen
Viz
McKirahan
Simmons
Avilan
Sprinkle in as well one or 2 of our "excess" starters like we did with Medlen and Wood, pen should have some firepower.
Strengths t othis team. Defense, Strong up the middle at 2B, C and SS. Strong in the OF by taking our worst OF and putting thme at LF. Lots of guys who are patient and can walk. Lots of speed as well. Assume we trade Jace we have Smith, Peraza, and Heyward as all 20+ SB guys.
zbhargrove
Well-known member
Mac would be a disaster back in Atlanta at his age. And the Heyward ship has sailed. You're living in the past like always Zito.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
Trade Wood, Sims, Peraza other pieces for Lucroy and Ryan Braun.........
Sign Kazmir to replace Wood.
Julio
Miller
Kazmir
Wisler
Manny/Perez
Lineup.
Peterson
Maybin
Freeman
Braun
Lucroy
Markakis
Uribe
Simmons
Bench:
Re-sign AJ for a year.
Ciriaco
Perez
KJ
Mallex
Pen:
Viz
Withrow
McKiranan
Simmons
O'Flaharety
Grilli (whenever he's ready)
Soria
Sign Kazmir to replace Wood.
Julio
Miller
Kazmir
Wisler
Manny/Perez
Lineup.
Peterson
Maybin
Freeman
Braun
Lucroy
Markakis
Uribe
Simmons
Bench:
Re-sign AJ for a year.
Ciriaco
Perez
KJ
Mallex
Pen:
Viz
Withrow
McKiranan
Simmons
O'Flaharety
Grilli (whenever he's ready)
Soria
msstate7
Well-known member
Braun and lucroy would be unbelievable.
Players I would like to see added to Braves,
Chris Sale (much cheaper than signing a Greinke a Zimmerman or a Price)
Evan Longoria or Todd Frasier (Frasier would be my first choice here)
Jonathan Lucroy would be nice but I do not see Milwaukee moving him.
Players I would entertain trading, Chris Johnson, Jim Johnson, Maybin, Teheran or Wood, Avilan, Pierzynski, Ciriaco. Eury Perez, Williams Perez for starters.
Chris Sale (much cheaper than signing a Greinke a Zimmerman or a Price)
Evan Longoria or Todd Frasier (Frasier would be my first choice here)
Jonathan Lucroy would be nice but I do not see Milwaukee moving him.
Players I would entertain trading, Chris Johnson, Jim Johnson, Maybin, Teheran or Wood, Avilan, Pierzynski, Ciriaco. Eury Perez, Williams Perez for starters.
I think this is pretty much the best generic plan for this offseason. The quality and length of control of those upgrades can vary so dramatically that we should witness the most interesting Braves offseason I can remember. This team is finally loaded with so many resources, both in talent and financially, that literally any move is a very real possibility.
I used to completely dismiss the idea of signing an Ace like Price, but the more I think about it, the more I realize it might be a possibility. Hart's "right player, wrong time" comment about Lester last offseason makes me think someone like Price could be the right player at the right time. If a significant amount of the MLB-ready pitching is used to acquire a long term asset like Lucroy, or a cheap young impact player, then I could definitely see the Braves making a push to sign a TOR guy.