Zimmerman Trial

[zitothebrave]

They're only different stories because the races were reversed.

If four white guys walked up and shot a black 17 yr old the case would be a lot bigger and there would be hate crimes attached.

the FBI investigated and said that race wasn't involved at all in the Martin case. DOJ has no case

There are about 1 trillion differences. First off the cops didn't give up on Lion. The FBI and ATF even contributed to the investigation. When they foudn the killers they charged them with murder. With Martin's case they had the killer and didn't even do a thorough investigation.

Meanwhile in the Zimmerman investigation, the first investigator wanted to charge for manslaughter, but the assistant attorney general wouldn't, presumably knowing about stand your ground.

If you think the 2 are the same except the race, you've clearly been suckered by Faux "News" and their kind.

 

[BedellBrave]

So Z, you didn't buy the information that giles presented earlier about that first investigator?

Another obvious difference is that Lion wasn't fighting. No way those guys can argue self defense. The Lion case is heinous.

 

[zitothebrave]

So Z, you didn't buy the information that giles presented earlier about that first investigator?

Another obvious difference is that Lion wasn't fighting. No way those guys can argue self defense. The Lion case is heinous.

I don't recall giles's post from earlier, but my guess is like usual he's sourcing info from a pro-gun/republican site cause he's had many wrong statements already so I don't care to go back. I'm not saying he was right, just saying hwat he recommeneded, and to be fair he wasn't a homicide detective but narcotics (yay great police work, again)

 

[Krgrecw]

Zito why the hell would the FBI and ATF be involved in the Zimmerman case?

Maybe, just maybe the local cops thought the Zimmerman case was self defense from the get go, hence why no charges were filed for a long time

You need to watch some Fox News so you'd at least have a clue what's going on.

 

[zitothebrave]

Zito why the hell would the FBI and ATF be involved in the Zimmerman case?

Maybe, just maybe the local cops thought the Zimmerman case was self defense from the get go, hence why no charges were filed for a long time

You need to watch some Fox News so you'd at least have a clue what's going on.

I'm gonna ignore the first part, especially since the first investigator recommended manslaughter charges but onto the bold

 

[Tapate50]

I'm gonna ignore the first part, especially since the first investigator recommended manslaughter charges but onto the bold

All the .gifs in the world won't make you any more right on this Zeets. I know the retort already so save it, and no Bill Maher and John Stewart aren't good sources for news.

You are slower than I thought if you thought ATF would investigate a murder. FBI does mostly corporate and financial crime now as of late as well.

There was no evidence he did anything wrong. I am not sure what everyone wanted?

Everyone take a DEEP breath and think about how scary this world would be if you could be convicted of murder (like all of yall want) with NO evidence.

 

[Krgrecw]

I guess Zito uses .gifs since he can't argue?

The ATF were involved in the other case because there was gun selling. Was there any illegal gun selling happening in the Martin case? No. Hence why there was no ATF involvement.

And police don't have final say in charges, the DA does. a cop can say I'm going to charge you with so and so but if a DA says 'no' there are no charges.

 

[weso1]

The reaction to this from some parts of the public is one of the most absurd things I've seen in a long time. Some of the most inane arguments being repeated over and over again. If I was black I would be embarrassed by the way certain parts of my race are acting and are being represented and in essence making me a part of that group, whether fair or not, because of this inconsequential case.

 

[Tapate50]

The reaction to this from some parts of the public is one of the most absurd things I've seen in a long time. Some of the most inane arguments being repeated over and over again. If I was black I would be embarrassed by the way certain parts of my race are acting and are being represented and in essence making me a part of that group, whether fair or not, because of this inconsequential case.

AGREE.

 

[Runnin]

The Left needs to pick a better case to get behind than this.

Is the report about him being found with a burglary tool and women's ***elry true?

uh, joowelry, lol. I've never noticed that before. Interesting....

 

[Tapate50]

Now, if you wanna direct your outrage somewhere more constructive. This case is about the worst thing ive heard in a long long time.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/29/us/georgia-brunswick-baby-shooting

 

[gilesfan]

I'm more inclined to believe that they scuffled—for whatever reason—he got the worst of it, panicked, and fired.

The only way contact could have even been made between the two is if Trayvon stopped running away and went back towards Zimmerman. He could have just went home and no one would have even known the name of the person Zimmerman saw. What other reason would there be for Trayvon going back towards Zimmerman other than to confront him? That along with his history and apparent willingness to fight in other situations makes me think he initiated contact.

I also dont see mentioned that when searched at school in October 2011 they found 12 pieces of womens ***elry, a watch, and a flat head screw driver which is about all you need to break into a house. A lot of people want to portray him as a choir boy. He was a walking sterotype. What I am really curious to see if what the burglary rate in this subdivision is after this shooting is. I bet whoever was doing the burglaries will think twice about it now.

This is a point I made either and no one would comment on it. There is no way Zimmerman catches up to Martin unless Martin stops or going back towards Zimmerman.

 

[zitothebrave]

All the .gifs in the world won't make you any more right on this Zeets. I know the retort already so save it, and no Bill Maher and John Stewart aren't good sources for news.

You are slower than I thought if you thought ATF would investigate a murder. FBI does mostly corporate and financial crime now as of late as well.

There was no evidence he did anything wrong. I am not sure what everyone wanted?

Everyone take a DEEP breath and think about how scary this world would be if you could be convicted of murder (like all of yall want) with NO evidence.

I don't use the Daily Show as a source for news, unlike people who watch Faux "News" I watch fake news shows for comedy reasons, not information.

My point with ATF was there was a full cooperation of all parties to solving that crime. ZImmerman was the triggerman and let go that night without any charges against the recommendations of the investigator essentially because of a Florida law that allows you to kill someone and if no one else is a witness to it your word is pretty much enough to get you off.

As far as there being no evidence of any wrongdoing, I think more thorough police work could have done the job. They let him speak to one investigator, a narcotics guy. He should have spoken to more than one to see if he had issues keeping details of his case straight to see if he's lying or not. Personally his crime reenactment alone would be enough to consider a negligence charge or some sort since it almost entirely contradicts the words that came out of his and the 911 dispatchers conversation. Seems to me he was just blatantly lying. I know people talk about stress being a factor, but so is lying to cover your ass.

All we have is his word because honestly the cops didn't really do their job. Would have been cleaner on a non-rainy night but I digress. Police could have done a better job.

I never said ever in this thread Zimmerman should be convicted of murder. I never said he should be convicted of manslaughter based on the law. My opinion is based on his action he should have gone to jail for manslaughter at least but legally it didn't fit the definition. I'm well aware of how the law works, but I'm also well aware of when laws need to be looked at. Such as one that essentially permits people to act like vigilantes and use deadly force when it may not have been necessary, and walk away with their guns afterwards.

 

[zitothebrave]

This is a point I made either and no one would comment on it. There is no way Zimmerman catches up to Martin unless Martin stops or going back towards Zimmerman.

And it would be irrelevant if Zimmerman didn't follow him in his car and on foot. WEEEE WE'RE GOING IN CIRCLES!!! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

 

[gilesfan]

There are about 1 trillion differences. First off the cops didn't give up on Lion. The FBI and ATF even contributed to the investigation. When they foudn the killers they charged them with murder. With Martin's case they had the killer and didn't even do a thorough investigation.

Meanwhile in the Zimmerman investigation, the first investigator wanted to charge for manslaughter, but the assistant attorney general wouldn't, presumably knowing about stand your ground.

If you think the 2 are the same except the race, you've clearly been suckered by Faux "News" and their kind.

No, the police thoroughly investigated and found out that Zimmerman was not guilty of any crimes. (backed by the trial) But, political pressure put on the police force forced a charge that the prosecution had zero chance of winning.

 

[gilesfan]

I don't recall giles's post from earlier, but my guess is like usual he's sourcing info from a pro-gun/republican site cause he's had many wrong statements already so I don't care to go back. I'm not saying he was right, just saying hwat he recommeneded, and to be fair he wasn't a homicide detective but narcotics (yay great police work, again)

In other words, he's just choosing to ignore facts, Bedell.

 

[zitothebrave]

No, the police thoroughly investigated and found out that Zimmerman was not guilty of any crimes. (backed by the trial) But, political pressure put on the police force forced a charge that the prosecution had zero chance of winning.

LMAO

I don't know if it's cause he's a gun owner, or his last name is Zimmerman and your internal Nat defender is kicking in but your irrationality is stronger than normal.

 

[zitothebrave]

To expand on my last post with a sentence detracting your point (though it honestly doesn't deserve it given the nature of your posting in this thread), if the investigation was so thorough, why are there so many questions? Obviously given the evidence there was not gonna be a conviction, but the nature of what I must call some (not all of course) Zimmerman defenders is epically hilarious. Every last one of you played right into the game.

 

[Tapate50]

I don't use the Daily Show as a source for news, unlike people who watch Faux "News" I watch fake news shows for comedy reasons, not information.

My point with ATF was there was a full cooperation of all parties to solving that crime. ZImmerman was the triggerman and let go that night without any charges against the recommendations of the investigator essentially because of a Florida law that allows you to kill someone and if no one else is a witness to it your word is pretty much enough to get you off.

As far as there being no evidence of any wrongdoing, I think more thorough police work could have done the job. They let him speak to one investigator, a narcotics guy. He should have spoken to more than one to see if he had issues keeping details of his case straight to see if he's lying or not. Personally his crime reenactment alone would be enough to consider a negligence charge or some sort since it almost entirely contradicts the words that came out of his and the 911 dispatchers conversation. Seems to me he was just blatantly lying. I know people talk about stress being a factor, but so is lying to cover your ass.

All we have is his word because honestly the cops didn't really do their job. Would have been cleaner on a non-rainy night but I digress. Police could have done a better job.

I never said ever in this thread Zimmerman should be convicted of murder. I never said he should be convicted of manslaughter based on the law. My opinion is based on his action he should have gone to jail for manslaughter at least but legally it didn't fit the definition. I'm well aware of how the law works, but I'm also well aware of when laws need to be looked at. Such as one that essentially permits people to act like vigilantes and use deadly force when it may not have been necessary, and walk away with their guns afterwards.

Doesn't appear that way and your understanding of federal\local enforcement needs work. You are one of millions of people trying to find a conspiracy in this, and there simply isn't one. There are cases where all there is victims testimony, and thats all there is. Trying to get all worked up that there isn't enough homicide police on the job or no witnesses is life. No evidence means no evidence and no conviction.

In jail for negligence is your desire? Thats BS pure and simple. This guy will never hold a job for 30 years. He will be spit on, cussed out in public, and degraded probably every day. Let it go. His life will be miserable for this.

 

[Tapate50]

To expand on my last post with a sentence detracting your point (though it honestly doesn't deserve it given the nature of your posting in this thread), if the investigation was so thorough, why are there so many questions? Obviously given the evidence there was not gonna be a conviction, but the nature of what I must call some (not all of course) Zimmerman defenders is epically hilarious. Every last one of you played right into the game.

Thats because there is no "game". There are just facts. The facts say one thing and you choose to join the conspiracy theorists and not believe the facts.

I bet you and Jesse Ventura are tight.