School Choice II

acesfull86 said:
https://dailycaller.com/2024/02/03/san-francisco-woke-kindergarten-california/

Woke Kindergarten is founded on the idea of abolitionist education, Zeus Leonardo, a University of California Berkeley education professor, told the Chronicle. The idea is to make “politics part of the framework of teaching,” Leonardo told the Chronicle.

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One teacher, Tiger Craven-Neeley, said he supports talking about racism in the classroom but was confused about one of the objectives set by the training to “disrupt whiteness” in the school, according to the Chronicle. He also questioned a trainer who used the phrase “so-called United States.”

Questioning the idea of “disrupting whiteness” got Craven-Neeley temporarily banned from training sessions, he told the Chronicle.

“What does that mean?” Craven-Neeley told the Chronicle. “I just want to know, what does that mean for a third-grade classroom?”

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English and math scores at the school hit new lows in spring of 2023, with less than 4% of students proficient in math and slightly under 12% scoring at grade level in English, which was nearly a 4-percentage-point drop in each category, according to the Chronicle.

District officials defended the program when questioned and said it had increased attendance and decreased suspension rates, according to the Chronicle. The officials also said that the school was no longer on the state watch list, but the school is actually still on the list and had dropped even further.


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When even the fellow named “Tiger Craven-Neeley” thinks you’ve gone too far, you’ve gone too far.
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Zues doesn’t agree and frankly that’s all that matters
 
acesfull86 said:
https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/school-choice-emerges-as-key-issue-for-texas-gop-primary-voters-poll-shows-texas-republican-greg-abbott-voucher-funding-education-savings-account-crisis-in-the-classroom

AUSTIN, Texas (CITC) — The decision by some Texas Republicans not to support school choice may come back to haunt them in the state's primaries, according to a new poll.

The poll released Tuesday by the University of Houston found that 60% of Republican primary voters are less likely to back incumbents who voted against school choice legislation in 2023. Only 16% indicated they would be more likely to support such a candidate.

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While lawmakers appear to be split, polling shows Texas families largely agree with expanding education options. Implementing education savings accounts is supported by 74% of Texas parents with school-aged children, according to EdChoice's public opinion tracker. Meanwhile, school voucher programs are favored by 71% of the same parents, and 70% support charter schools.

The data aligns with parent demands nationwide, as a July poll showed 71% of registered voters back school choice measures. The same poll found increased support from all major political parties, more than 65% of registered Democrats, Republicans and Independents indicating their approval.

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Hopefully Texas primary voters whack the holdouts from last year and get choice across the finish line
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How people are against this is beyond my comprehension

Schools in this area have been failing families for over a generation. Why anyone wouldn’t want to get their child out of that is beyond logic. They have had plenty of time.


The major problem is home situation. They are using school as day care instead of a point of emphasis.

Vocational schools should make a come back
 
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cajunrevenge said:
Correct. Teaching kids there's a magic man in the sky who controls everything is the opposite of education.
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Education is to prepare children for the real world. People with a faith based moral system are far more functioning members of society than the trash our current public school system is raising.

Just because you’re a directionless soulless loser doesn’t mean that others want to choose that path.
 
Do you think that perhaps the reason religious schools are better is because they dont let in anybody? You think they maintain being the best schools if they let in all the poor black kids?
 
cajunrevenge said:
Do you think that perhaps the reason religious schools are better is because they dont let in anybody? You think they maintain being the best schools if they let in all the poor black kids?
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That’s not true at all. But they actually discipline the bad ones to where they mature and grow into useful members of society.
 
cajunrevenge said:
I am against school choice only if it includes religious schools. We shouldn't be paying for religious indoctrination.
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(1) we're currently paying for religious indoctrination at public schools
(2) we're not holding colleges/universities to that standard (ie, you can use a Pell grant at Notre Dame)
(3) if the religious school does a better job teaching students to read/write/math, that's a better outcome for everyone


cajunrevenge said:
Do you think that perhaps the reason religious schools are better is because they dont let in anybody? You think they maintain being the best schools if they let in all the poor black kids?
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Let's find out
 
acesfull86 said:
(1) we're currently paying for religious indoctrination at public schools
(2) we're not holding colleges/universities to that standard (ie, you can use a Pell grant at Notre Dame)
(3) if the religious school does a better job teaching students to read/write/math, that's a better outcome for everyone




Let's find out
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1 - I dont know what you are talking about, but if we are, we shouldnt

2- Does Notre Dame actually do any religious indoctrination?

3- Religious schools dont do a better job, private schools do a better job largely because the kids come from better families. Theres nothing about religion that makes the school better. I went to a Catholic school for 1 year and the only difference was they made us go to church 1 hour every day where none of us paid any attention and just wasted an hour a day.
 
cajunrevenge said:
1 - I dont know what you are talking about, but if we are, we shouldnt

2- Does Notre Dame actually do any religious indoctrination?

3- Religious schools dont do a better job, private schools do a better job largely because the kids come from better families. Theres nothing about religion that makes the school better. I went to a Catholic school for 1 year and the only difference was they made us go to church 1 hour every day where none of us paid any attention and just wasted an hour a day.
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(1) Posts 158 & 159, as an example
(2) What do you consider indoctrination? I don't know of any religion affiliated college/university that doesn't have theology/religious studies requirements
(3) Let the parents of the student to make that determination
 
cajunrevenge said:
That makes no sense whatsoever. None of that is exclusive to religion.
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It is exclusive to systems of schools outside of direct government and union control. Private/Parochial schools are that population with religious based schools doing a better job at instilling a moral code that will help guide their students through life.
 
acesfull86 said:
(1) Posts 158 & 159, as an example
(2) What do you consider indoctrination? I don't know of any religion affiliated college/university that doesn't have theology/religious studies requirements
(3) Let the parents of the student to make that determination
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3 is the very reason it’s call led “choice”

If not, “yeah it’s called school choice but not that one, and that one that Cajun doesn’t like “
 
And I am 100% supportive of private schools. The public school system is absolute trash. But religious schools arent better because they emphasize religion they are better because of the free market holding them accountable if they dont produce results. Public schools are a disaster because they know most people dont have any other option and are thus not accountable and can do whatever the hell they want. If we had school vouchers numerous private schools would pop up with the same good result private religious schools get.
 
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