Immigration crisis
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zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Highest yes but look at the trends.
https://nida.nih.gov/research-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates
But they are. Accidental fentanyl deaths/hospitalizations have soared higher and higher, up about 1500% in the last decade. And accidental meaning they had no idea they had ever even come into contact with fentanyl.
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nsacpi
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I'm not sure that is the correct interpretation. My understanding is that there is a lot of uncertainty about the concentration and content of "fentanyl" that is bought on the street. It is like playing Russian Roulette. Playing Russian Roulette does lead to a certain amount of "accidental" death. But no one is being forced to play Russian Roulette.
You buy the stuff and leave it sitting on your sofa and it will cause some "accidental" death.
But buying it and leaving it on your sofa is also a "choice."
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An average of 22 adolescents 14 to 18 years of age died in the U.S. each week in 2022 from drug overdoses. It isn't simply Russiain Roulette driving the increase and it's shameful to suggest otherwise.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
You seem to be missing some context here. Some of our fellow posters (who I have dubbed the individual responsibility brigade) are very big on individual responsibility. But it turns out their fandom of individual responsibility is rather selective. I have a world of sympathy for the victims of fentanyl and strongly favor bringing whatever tools of public policy we have at disposal to bear on the problem.
Tapate50
Well-known member
Highest yes but look at the trends.
https://nida.nih.gov/research-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates
So highest. Got it.
It’s the cops fault those guys are here illegally , great point.
Imagine voting for Biden and what’s come from it and ignoring you basically enabled this
Tapate50
Well-known member
Just so we can define a screw up and some self reflection on this issue ——
How many rapes and murders and violent crimes is too many by illegal immigrants ? Like how many does it take to say “oh **** maybe I should rethink my position?”
If there is no number that makes you rethink your position, what does that mean?
How many rapes and murders and violent crimes is too many by illegal immigrants ? Like how many does it take to say “oh **** maybe I should rethink my position?”
If there is no number that makes you rethink your position, what does that mean?
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nsacpi
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i'm a little confused
what "position" am i supposed to be rethinking
i come here and regularly point out the enormous and positive contributions made to our culture and economy by immigrants
immigration is a very positive thang for this country
is that the "position" i'm supposed to rethink?
even Donald Trump seems to have come around to my view...much to y'all's apparent chagrin
what "position" am i supposed to be rethinking
i come here and regularly point out the enormous and positive contributions made to our culture and economy by immigrants
immigration is a very positive thang for this country
is that the "position" i'm supposed to rethink?
even Donald Trump seems to have come around to my view...much to y'all's apparent chagrin
Tapate50
Well-known member
I can see why. Self reflection isn’t a strength
Does it make you feel bad you enabled all this ?
When women and children are killed by illegal immigrants, does it make you rethink anything
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
i feel sympathy for any victims of crime
and i'm able to feel that without indulging in bigotry and stigmatization of entire groups of people
your mileage does seem to vary
No one has an issue with LEGAL immigration.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Thank you for introducing that distinction into the discussion.
None of the people I praise for their massive contributions to this country are illegal immigrants as far as I can tell.
Unlike some around here I am pro-law and order, without exceptions for my favorite criminals. I want our laws enforced. Including our immigration laws. I also think there is room for improving them and hope people of good will eventually will come around to working together on this. It is unlikely that one party will be able to write such reforms. So there will have to be a process of give and take.
I also would point out that many red-blooded Americans benefit from illegal immigration. They gonna miss their nannies and restaurant workers and roofers and the workers who make their lawns nice and green. But as I said I'm pro-law and order. So I'm down for giving up those benefits in the name of equitable enforcement of our laws. I suspect, however, that many small businessmen and women (the GOP's favorite constituency) will make their voices heard when the time comes for them to lose a big chunk of their workforce. I've gotten to know this guy named Joe, who manages my favorite taco place, pretty well. He tells me half his workers are undocumented. There are a lot of Joes out there. Many of them are Trump voters. The irony will be something to savor.
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Tapate50
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So there is no number is what you are saying? It could be 10,000 and you'd be fine.
Amazing.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
what's your number...do you have one since you seem to think it is amazing i don't have one
Tapate50
Well-known member
I don’t need one- I’m not the one supporting the guy responsible for all of it. Your boys opponent had the border on lock, your boys up there pooping his pants and allowing this to continue.
Enabling is what that’s called.
So how many is too many if Trump had it way more under control? What is the amount of people hurt you’d allow before you’d reconsider your vote ?
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
since memories are short it is a good thang that the internet does not forget
we had a carefully negotiated bipartisan border deal that I thought made a great deal of sense
i started a thread about it
http://www.chopcountry.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12041
sadly there seems to have been little support for actually doing something....from the posters around here at any rate...y'all seem to prefer whinin' and cryin' to doin'
we had a carefully negotiated bipartisan border deal that I thought made a great deal of sense
i started a thread about it
http://www.chopcountry.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12041
sadly there seems to have been little support for actually doing something....from the posters around here at any rate...y'all seem to prefer whinin' and cryin' to doin'
Tapate50
Well-known member
It shows that you thought it made sense.
Because upon reflection and people actually reading it, no one agreed with you
Gimme a break with this “actually doin something” . Nothing needed to be done ! Trump did it already! Your boy undid it. It’s no one’s fault but his and you are sitting here acting like legal Americans aren’t worth defending by still supporting his presidency directly against someone who will fix it- again.
So how many American women need to die or be raped for you to change your presidential candidate position? 1? 4 ? 100? 500? 10,000 ?
Does that guilt not register ?
Because upon reflection and people actually reading it, no one agreed with you
Gimme a break with this “actually doin something” . Nothing needed to be done ! Trump did it already! Your boy undid it. It’s no one’s fault but his and you are sitting here acting like legal Americans aren’t worth defending by still supporting his presidency directly against someone who will fix it- again.
So how many American women need to die or be raped for you to change your presidential candidate position? 1? 4 ? 100? 500? 10,000 ?
Does that guilt not register ?
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