Tapate50
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They did a really good job with them, and they hold up pretty well too.
What’s the 2000’s version of ‘The Godfather’
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They did a really good job with them, and they hold up pretty well too.
zitothebrave
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The 3 films had a 3 billion dollar box office. The hobbit trilogy also pulled nearly 3 billion. Wouldn't call it a niche fanbase.
Godfather is not as big as you make it out to be it's gotten legendary status more than it being a truly hugely watched film.
chop2chip
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I see what you’re saying. I wouldn’t call it niche but I agree LOTR is under-appreciated because it’s a genre film with big budget special effects. There’s a tendency to withhold the prestige label though I think this is bias has diminished quite a bit in recent years. I think there’s a good chance is the movie this trilogy is what is remembered most from this era.
zitothebrave
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It's also acted the **** out. Viggo Mortensen is an all-timer. He didn't get the respect he deserved then and I still think he's underappreciated, got to be in the top x percent of actors who've never won an academy award.
zitothebrave
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He was also so great in Eastern Promises, he had no shot of winning best actor because of DDL putting in the tour de force in There Will Be BLood.
chop2chip
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Indeed. Criminally underrated
Avengers franchise made billions in the box office too. Is that the criteria we're basing this on now?
I like LOTR a lot. But it's niche. It's a fantasy film with elves and dwarves and dragons.
zitothebrave
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And a mob movie set in NYC/NJ isn't niche either? Every film has a level of nicheness to it.
Not really, no.
It's certainly far less niche than a fantasy movie about dragons and wizards and elves.
striker42
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Return of the King is tied for the most Academy Awards won by a movie with 11. It wasn't just a commercial success, it was a critical success too.
If you call The Lord of the Rings a niche, genre film because it's fantasy then you'd have to call The Godfather a niche, gangster film. Sometimes films transcend their genres. That was the case with both LOTR and The Godfather.
striker42
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If LOTR is a niche movie then Game of Thrones is a niche TV show. Forget its 59 Emmy awards and the fact that it was arguably the most acclaimed and talked about show on TV when it was on.
Genre doesn't matter. A great movie will be a great movie no matter what genre it comes from. The idea that certain genres are niche or incapable of producing something great is just wrong.
Jaws is ultimately a creature flick.
The Dark Knight is a comic book movie.
The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly is a western.
Interstellar is a sci-fi movie.
It's a Wonderful Life is a Christmas movie.
Saving Private Ryan is a war movie.
Each of these genres could be considered niche but that didn't stop great movies from coming out of them.
Genre doesn't matter. A great movie will be a great movie no matter what genre it comes from. The idea that certain genres are niche or incapable of producing something great is just wrong.
Jaws is ultimately a creature flick.
The Dark Knight is a comic book movie.
The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly is a western.
Interstellar is a sci-fi movie.
It's a Wonderful Life is a Christmas movie.
Saving Private Ryan is a war movie.
Each of these genres could be considered niche but that didn't stop great movies from coming out of them.
Feel the same way about The Dark Knight. It’s a great stand alone film that transcends being just another superhero film.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
What Dragon was in Lord of the Rings? Elves and WIzards were mostly washed over. The film is a film at it's core. A hardcore Tolkienfan would deride the film for it not staying true to the books.
You're right it's fantasy, but of it's era, fantasy films were quite popular, Harry Potter, Hunger Games (guess that may be more sci-fi) Twilight, Avatar, Pirates of the Caribbean, etc,
Top 10 global box office biggest films of the 00 decade were basically all live action fantasy except for the Dark Knight and Shrek 2, which shrek is animated fantasy.
If I had to explain to someone with no knowledge the 2 films, do you think they'd struggle? No. Because they're at their core thematic films. Lord of the Rings is a simple good vs. evil with a strong core of characters. Godfather is a movie about family with a strong core of characters.
chop2chip
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Fellbeast is basically a dragon
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
I guess so.
I mean they're pretty cut and dry winged mounts though. THey have no depth. They're just there for scary.
Jesus Christ are you that much of a ****ing nerd?
This ^ is, for all intents and purposes, a fuggin dragon to 95% of the movie viewing world. I don't care if it's technically not a dragon. Although technically it also isn't not a dragon, as to my limited knowledge their origins aren't super touched on,. But I am not a Tolkien nerd, so maybe I'm wrong. Google suggests no none else knows exactly what they are either.
You also ignore the fact that it takes place in a fantasy world where dragons are indeed real.
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zitothebrave
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Jesus Christ are you that much of a ****ing nerd?
This ^ is, for all intents and purposes, a fuggin dragon to 95% of the movie viewing world. I don't care if it's technically not a dragon. Although technically it also isn't not a dragon, as to my limited knowledge their origins aren't super touched on,. But I am not a Tolkien nerd, so maybe I'm wrong. Google suggests no none else knows exactly what they are either.
You also ignore the fact that it takes place in a fantasy world where dragons are indeed real.
That's not a dragon it would be a Wyvern. Dragons have 4 legs/limbs and seperate wings, wyverns have 2 legs and wings with claws.
But yeah fell beasts have a bit of murkiness (Tolkien IIRC famously said he liked to leave some things a mystery even to himself, like Tom Bombadil, the Entwives, etc.)
But they're not Dragon's at all in Tolkien Universe because LEgolas killed a fell beast with an arrow at range. To kill Smaug a dragon they had to thread the needle with a shot into a gap in his scales. Fell beasts don't have scales.
Really they're dinosaurs. Bred to be mounts for the Nazgul. Tolkien himself says they're supposed to resemble a Pterosaur.
chop2chip
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Yeah agreed. It’s very reminiscent of GRRM’s other work (good luck trying to keep track of those Targaryeans). From Software is also notoriously obtuse with its storytelling which doesn’t help either. There’s a not so small cottage industry on YouTube of Soulsbourne YouTubers who get a lot of mileage mining Souls lore.