REAL FOOTBALL Thread

chop2chip said:
Blitz and put your best WR as a safety. Falcons used put Julio on the field in those situations. Good luck catching it over him.
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One risk with putting your best receiver out there is they sometiems go for the pick because of instincts. THe upside is size. ANother risk is them having to make tackles.

But really it's a junk play and all you have to do is not overcommit.
 
Unless the Niners wind up choking this game, there is IMO one thing that's coming mroe and more clear, that the Jets and Dallas are frauds.
 
The Falcons defensive problems go beyond personnel. You could sign your D-line off practice squads and a competent defensive staff would still get more than 6 sacks in 8 games.

There are 8 players around the league with more sacks than the entire Falcons team.
 
zitothebrave said:
I went in a bit on this with sturg, but unless you really hid your blitz package well they'd just run a slant and get lead blockers. Hell you could basically run it as a screen then wind up with potential down field linemen with full heads of steam.

But really just tell 2 guys to not leave the end zone everyone else collapses backward keeping receivers just behind them.
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That's why keep 3 guys up and 3 guys back. Unless you're gonna line up the WRs all on the right side (which is not legal), then the most lead blockers you are gonna have is 3, Also, the 3 guys near the end zone are now barreling coming up as well. The odds of a team taking a slant all the way when it will basically be 5 on 6 is very slim. Not to mention, you can't outrun your blockers, which gives defenders who were originally at the LOS time to catch up.
 
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sturg33 said:
Point is don't even let the WR get downfield

I'll take my chances on the lateral play vs a tipped ball/PI/miracle catch
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Exactly. I would also overload the edges. Don't even worry about the interior OL. Put in 4 Edge rushers place them out wide. Collapse the pocket from the outside in so the QB can't step into the throw.
 
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Carp said:
Exactly. I would also overload the edges. Don't even worry about the interior OL. Put in 4 Edge rushers place them out wide. Collapse the pocket from the outside in so the QB can't step into the throw.
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If you collapse from outside you are making it easier to step into throw down middle of field.

But overall - you should never rush 2-3 in hail mary situations.
 
thethe said:
If you collapse from outside you are making it easier to step into throw down middle of field.

But overall - you should never rush 2-3 in hail mary situations.
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A QB generally takes a few step drop and also has OL in front of him. Collapsing the from the outside creates substantially less room to take a couple of steps when trying to launch a hail mary pass. On nearly every single hail mary, you will see the QB move outside the pocket and give himself extra room to launch one.
 
Carp said:
A QB generally takes a few step drop and also has OL in front of him. Collapsing the from the outside creates substantially less room to take a couple of steps when trying to launch a hail mary pass. On nearly every single hail mary, you will see the QB move outside the pocket and give himself extra room to launch one.
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Rushing from the outside gives the QB a line to the shortest throw possible for the hail mary.

I think the best bet is to rush 5 with stunt concepts so that if the QB rolls because pressure in his face then you have ends ready to attack.
 
thethe said:
Rushing from the outside gives the QB a line to the shortest throw possible for the hail mary.

I think the best bet is to rush 5 with stunt concepts so that if the QB rolls because pressure in his face then you have ends ready to attack.
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I dont think there is a right or wrong answer. A blitz is very dangerous as well because 1 missed tackle and you are gone. The Bears needed to play it better and there are flukes occasionally.
 
thethe said:
Rushing from the outside gives the QB a line to the shortest throw possible for the hail mary.

I think the best bet is to rush 5 with stunt concepts so that if the QB rolls because pressure in his face then you have ends ready to attack.
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Again, if you are rushing from the ends you are collapsing the pocket on itself. He won't have the time or the room to make a long throw to the endzone. I suppose you run the risk of the QB running for it with a wall of blockers. But that would be a lower percentage play than completing a hail mary.
 
Carp said:
Again, if you are rushing from the ends you are collapsing the pocket on itself. He won't have the time or the room to make a long throw to the endzone. I suppose you run the risk of the QB running for it with a wall of blockers. But that would be a lower percentage play than completing a hail mary.
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All this chatter but lets not lose sight of the fact that at this point, it looks like the Bears chose the wrong QB. Imagine Daniels with those weapons and defense...they might be deep in the playoffs.
 
Carp said:
Again, if you are rushing from the ends you are collapsing the pocket on itself. He won't have the time or the room to make a long throw to the endzone. I suppose you run the risk of the QB running for it with a wall of blockers. But that would be a lower percentage play than completing a hail mary.
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I'm not sure I'm understanding you.

If you forcibly collapse the edges you are giving the QB a running lane up the middle to the LOS which makes the hail mary throw the shortest throw possible.

Not sure thats the best approach.
 
Carp said:
That's why keep 3 guys up and 3 guys back. Unless you're gonna line up the WRs all on the right side (which is not legal), then the most lead blockers you are gonna have is 3, Also, the 3 guys near the end zone are now barreling coming up as well. The odds of a team taking a slant all the way when it will basically be 5 on 6 is very slim. Not to mention, you can't outrun your blockers, which gives defenders who were originally at the LOS time to catch up.
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3 up and 3 bakc isn't really a blitz, it's rushing 5 which if you have a competant OL you can easily defend.

Personally I think the best option is to overload one side of the line (ideally throwing arm side) so you force the QB to roll out to their weak side where you have a spy blitz to.

So to imagine it.

X
X X X
OOOOO
If they have a TE they can block head up. If their team is smart they'll be able to adjust their protection but if even then you're still forcing the QB on the back foot and closing off the edge by having someone bull rush in late.

Honestly you can send 1 and still be OK if you have a well disciplined secondary. All of it comes down to coaching. Rush 5 with 3 and 3 still requires you to win battles. EVen if you get to QB quick they still can get numbers going the other way if your middle 3 get beat. Nothing hits as hard as someone with a full head of steam.
 
Carp said:
That's why keep 3 guys up and 3 guys back. Unless you're gonna line up the WRs all on the right side (which is not legal), then the most lead blockers you are gonna have is 3, Also, the 3 guys near the end zone are now barreling coming up as well. The odds of a team taking a slant all the way when it will basically be 5 on 6 is very slim. Not to mention, you can't outrun your blockers, which gives defenders who were originally at the LOS time to catch up.
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3 up and 3 bakc isn't really a blitz, it's rushing 5 which if you have a competant OL you can easily defend.

Personally I think the best option is to overload one side of the line (ideally throwing arm side) so you force the QB to roll out to their weak side where you have a spy blitz to.

So to imagine it.

X

.......................X X X

.............OOOOO

If they have a TE they can block head up. If their team is smart they'll be able to adjust their protection but if even then you're still forcing the QB on the back foot and closing off the edge by having someone bull rush in late.

Honestly you can send 1 and still be OK if you have a well disciplined secondary. All of it comes down to coaching. Rush 5 with 3 and 3 still requires you to win battles. EVen if you get to QB quick they still can get numbers going the other way if your middle 3 get beat. Nothing hits as hard as someone with a full head of steam.
 
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