119th Congress or Red Wave In Adult Land

there is a double entendre about inflation (the cost of inflation?) buried in there
 
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Personally, i feel aggrieved that Matt will not be our AG. Was looking forward to it. Hopefully, I'll find other entertainment the next few years.
 
I wanted Gaetz for AG as well. If a cop stopped me and asked how much drugs I had on me I could say probably less than the AG without lying.
 
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While the “I don’t care about Gaetz allegations, I only care about the rest of the coverups” crowd is gross, I’m not sure why more people aren’t latching onto this. If we know horrible things about other creeps in Congress, I want them exposed too.
 
Tapate50 said:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th...ns?overview=closed&q={"roll-call-vote":"all"}

You can click through this roll call to find out who was against deportation and denial of entry based on prior sex crimes and domestic violence crimes...

158 democrats... AMAZING number

Votes matter

I didn't know if this needed to go into the Leftists are child mutilators or just in general discussion
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They spend much more energy deflecting, rationalizing this than they do get angry about it
 
sturg33 said:
They spend much more energy deflecting, rationalizing this than they do get angry about it
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It goes beyond my comprehension that someone would value an immigrant with a violent history to compromise their neighbor or families safety.
 
Tapate50 said:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th...ns?overview=closed&q={"roll-call-vote":"all"}

You can click through this roll call to find out who was against deportation and denial of entry based on prior sex crimes and domestic violence crimes...

158 democrats... AMAZING number

Votes matter

I didn't know if this needed to go into the Leftists are child mutilators or just in general discussion
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Fun fact: this bill is performative bull****. https://nadler.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=395187

First, the sexual offenses in the inadmissibility and deportability sections of the bill are largely redundant. All serious sexual offenses are already covered under current law. Currently, an individual is rendered deportable if they are convicted of an aggravated felony, which includes rape, sexual abuse of a minor, or a crime of violence, which is defined as any “offense that has as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against the person.”

In comparison, this bill would render deportable those convicted of “sexual offenses” which is defined as “a criminal offense that has an element involving a sexual act or sexual contact with another.” These categories almost entirely overlap.

Additionally, under the Immigration and Nationality Act, a noncitizen who is convicted of a Crime Involving Moral Turpitude, or a “CIMT,” is already subject to removal. Crimes in which there is intent to cause bodily harm have long been considered CIMTs.

As such, people who are convicted of any crime where there is intent to cause bodily harm like sexual assaults, are deportable. The inadmissibility grounds for CIMT are even broader, as one can be deemed inadmissible by either being convicted of, or admitting to, acts that constitute a CIMT.

Again, if that were all this bill did, it would simply be a waste of our time. But even more significant concerns with this bill arise with the sections related to domestic violence.

Under current law, people are deportable if they are convicted of domestic violence and other related crimes and can be deemed inadmissible if they commit the acts or are convicted of a CIMT where the domestic violence or related offense has intent to cause bodily harm. So, the crime of domestic violence is well covered by current law.

However, this bill attempts to significantly expand the definition of domestic violence to include the Violence Against Women Act definition that is used for grants and funding.

The current definition for domestic violence offenses under Title 18, which is what is currently used for deportability purposes, focuses on physical force.

In contrast, the broader VAWA-based definition used in this bill would lead to more people being ineligible for status or subject to deportation, and would sweep in a broader range of behaviors, including criminal charges where there might be any coercive actions, including economic coercion and coercive control. This will likely implicate survivors of domestic violence who have used violence in self-defense, or who were accused by their abusers and were either unable to defend themselves or pled guilty to avoid having to go through the court process.

The VAWA definition was never intended to be used as a criminal statute or to capture only criminal behavior. We know this because the statute specifically says it includes “a pattern of any other coercive behavior committed, enabled, or solicited to gain or maintain power and control over a victim, including verbal, psychological, economic, or technological abuse that may or may not constitute criminal behavior.”

And you do not have to take my word for it. Nearly 180 National and Local groups as part of the National Task Force to End Sexual and Domestic Violence echo these same concerns in their letter opposing this legislation.
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Complain if you want about it being Nadler’s account, but he seems to be right about these facts. The only thing this bill seems to do is take away some due process based on your legal status (including permanent residents, despite the title of the bill) and allow people to pretend 158 Democrats voted in favor of not deporting violent offenders, a thing already in the existing laws.
 
Tapate50 said:
It goes beyond my comprehension that someone would value an immigrant with a violent history to compromise their neighbor or families safety.
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And it goes beyond my comprehension that someone would choose to send some of the neighbors that have been contributing positively to their community to other countries for no reason beyond how they became your neighbor, but here we are anyway. The “neighbors” argument cuts both ways.
 
mqt said:
And it goes beyond my comprehension that someone would choose to send some of the neighbors that have been contributing positively to their community to other countries for no reason beyond how they became your neighbor, but here we are anyway. The “neighbors” argument cuts both ways.
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I know some people got caught up in politics last year. I recommend as an antidote a visit to a Haitian restaurant. Or an Ethiopian restaurant. Try something you haven't tried before. Immigrants have made so many contributions to this country, not least through their culinary skills.
 
nsacpi said:
I know some people got caught up in politics last year. I recommend as an antidote a visit to a Haitian restaurant. Or an Ethiopian restaurant. Try something you haven't tried before. Immigrants have made so many contributions to this country, not least through their culinary skills.
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I would but New years resolution was to cut out cat from diet
 
Speaking of performative bull****:

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Nobody is trying to compare shoplifting to murder. This bill isn’t about murderers, it’s about how we handle theft done by migrants. The only people making this about rape or murder are the people using one to justify treating theft as a precursor to violent crimes. I’m fine with the act and don’t mind that it passed, but it’s not protecting people from rape and murder.
 
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A friendly reminder to anybody reading about 145 people voting against HR30 and wondering why Dems would oppose it: the existing law would already make the person who committed this crime inadmissible. If you have any concerns with immigration policy and deportations, I understand. But we are not protecting women and girls by passing a law that already exists and adding provisions that Domestic Violence advocacy groups have opposed because it could harm victims of DV.
 
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