Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread

mqt said:
I’d push back that forcing Sturg to put his pronouns in his email signature is still unnecessary unless Sturg is specifically concerned with being accidentally misgendered. If Sturg refused to answer an email from a client in China who misgendered him, I can see the business purpose in him adding the pronouns at that time, but I still agree it’s an unnecessary invasion of privacy to repeatedly remind Sturg to add the pronouns if he’s not experiencing such confusion. However, if a trans employee had she/her pronouns listed and Sturg obstinately refused to not use he/him pronouns in his correspondence with her, I’d accept the company’s authority to terminate him.

Having such identifiers available in an HRIS or in company templates like email signatures is a great step toward reducing these types of accidental misunderstandings and intentional discrimination in the workplace and I’m happy to share mine despite it not doing anything for me personally if it might help someone else. But I do think it’s worth protecting a worker’s right not to disclose personal information they’d like to protect, even if that reason is they’re being intentionally obstinate.

I suspect they cannot terminate Sturg for refusing to participate, or they would have done so already rather than send him a reminder every 30 days, but I’ve seen companies do some crazy ****.
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Everyone putting their pronouns in their bio makes the whole exercise useless. I don't know of any, but I'm sure we have a couple of trans people somewhere in the org where this applies to. Instead, 2000 people have added them as well so nobody reads them anymore. Looking at my slack just scrolling down 30 names all with pronouns and I don't bother paying attention bc 99.9% of people are not mentally ill. It would be much more helpful if only the people that were sensitive to this were putting pronouns in their bio, because that would actually catch my attention and something for me to be aware of.

As an aside, whenever I meet anyone in business at conferences or wherever, if they have pronouns on their badge, I immediately think less of them and less interested in doing business with them. So with that anecdote, it is actually hurting a business
 
mqt said:
I suspect they cannot terminate Sturg for refusing to participate, or they would have done so already rather than send him a reminder every 30 days, but I’ve seen companies do some crazy ****.
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My company is woke af.

I'm asked to sit in countless diversity trainings that thankfully I can usually find a client meeting to get me out of. When I first started, the CEO proudly announced that we by x years, our leadership and board will be 50% women. There's that DEI stuff again, and an instant signal to me that I'm going to have to overcome discrimination in order to climb the ladder.

But the funny thing is, when I go on trips like President club and visiting customers in the country with our CEO, after a few drinks, you quickly learn they don't believe in any of it either. That its a resource drain and constant need to not offend the staff. All this stuff is driven from HR ladies who have nothing better to do. I just am disappointed in our c-suite who I've since learned think it's all bull **** but go along with it anyway.

My career has not really been stifled here in 3 years, so maybe my little protest has earned the respect of the people in charge who feel they can't take such risks. Who knows

But I don't think my highly liberal San Francisco colleagues have any misunderstanding of where the Texas boy with no pronouns who constantly brings up that it's unsafe to walk to the office these days, stands on the political spectrum
 
sturg33 said:
The funny thing is. The very same lady who is tasked with my compliance of pronouns has referred to me as "he" many times. Just makes me laugh at the absurdity of the exercise
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This very set of interactions is why I don’t find *encouraging* people to put their pronouns in their bios absurd though. If you were a person transitioning but did not “look female enough” then the knowledge that the company has a way for people to find out how that person identifies without having to ask that employee a potentially uncomfortable question or gossip about it. It protects the employee from potential discriminatory conduct and a barrage of deeply personal questions. But it also stops you from needing to worry if you’ll get in trouble for misgendering someone by accident, which is a concern I’ve seen brought up in the workforce before. Whether *those policies* are okay is an argument for a different time, but if you’d like to not talk to HR about someone else’s gender, it can actually be a useful tool for you as a gender-skeptic. But those tools are less effective the less they are adopted by the entire workforce. And while I don’t find that benefit compelling enough to justify requiring it, I’d challenge that given the context of the other existing policies, having a culture of people just putting their pronouns could lead to utility even for you. But I support your right as a worker not to partake.
 
mqt said:
This very set of interactions is why I don’t find *encouraging* people to put their pronouns in their bios absurd though. If you were a person transitioning but did not “look female enough” then the knowledge that the company has a way for people to find out how that person identifies without having to ask that employee a potentially uncomfortable question or gossip about it. It protects the employee from potential discriminatory conduct and a barrage of deeply personal questions. But it also stops you from needing to worry if you’ll get in trouble for misgendering someone by accident, which is a concern I’ve seen brought up in the workforce before. Whether *those policies* are okay is an argument for a different time, but if you’d like to not talk to HR about someone else’s gender, it can actually be a useful tool for you as a gender-skeptic. But those tools are less effective the less they are adopted by the entire workforce. And while I don’t find that benefit compelling enough to justify requiring it, I’d challenge that given the context of the other existing policies, having a culture of people just putting their pronouns could lead to utility even for you. But I support your right as a worker not to partake.
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Maybe you're on to something. I should sue for personal harassment of pressuring me to come out to the world as trans when I'm not ready to do so!
 
sturg33 said:
My company is woke af.

I'm asked to sit in countless diversity trainings that thankfully I can usually find a client meeting to get me out of. When I first started, the CEO proudly announced that we by x years, our leadership and board will be 50% women. There's that DEI stuff again, and an instant signal to me that I'm going to have to overcome discrimination in order to climb the ladder.

But the funny thing is, when I go on trips like President club and visiting customers in the country with our CEO, after a few drinks, you quickly learn they don't believe in any of it either. That its a resource drain and constant need to not offend the staff. All this stuff is driven from HR ladies who have nothing better to do. I just am disappointed in our c-suite who I've since learned think it's all bull **** but go along with it anyway.



My career has not really been stifled here in 3 years, so maybe my little protest has earned the respect of the people in charge who feel they can't take such risks. Who knows

But I don't think my highly liberal San Francisco colleagues have any misunderstanding of where the Texas boy with no pronouns who constantly brings up that it's unsafe to walk to the office these days, stands on the political spectrum
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When we bring this specific example back to the topic at hand (political viability of pro-trans public policies), you must realize this is a pretty niche and privileged problem to have. Not privileged in the sense you don’t deserve future growth for your work or that you didn’t earn your current role, but in the sense that the majority of the public won’t ever have to deal with these hurdles, because they aren’t chasing this level of success. Like I’m not calling you a fat cat or anything, but I’d posit the average American is a step below this level. I still support your right to not worry about any discrimination based on your willingness to disclose personal information, but this is not a set of circumstances I’d expect to be a sizable coalition politically.
 
sturg33 said:
Maybe you're on to something. I should sue for personal harassment of pressuring me to come out to the world as trans when I'm not ready to do so!
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You absolutely shouldn’t do that, but I’d support you filing a complaint that you feel your unwillingness to disclose personal information is leading to undue anxiety that your performance will be evaluated on failure to participate in what should be an optional program and that their continued requests feel like harassment.
 
Tapate50 said:
It’s fair to wonder how much mandated DEI programs have contributed to “inflation”
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I doubt much, because it’s generally performative and consists of shuffling previously existing HR types into different roles and tacking on a step or two on some performance discussions. I’d assume a lot of companies who fund DEI initiatives to such an extent that it meaningfully affects operational budgets either suck at doing business or stole that money from their recruiting, public relations and employee engagement initiatives, since that’s what they’re really trying to accomplish.
 
The good news for anybody disappointed by the decision to hold the inauguration inside the Capitol building is they should have access to some of perhaps the world’s leading authorities on how to peacefully make your way inside it during such proceedings.
 
sturg33 said:
Not complicated. Jeff Ma paid a visit to Maralago and opinions changed

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Has much more to do with the fact that young people started changing their sentiments in tik tok and with a separation from the ccp it can be used as a tool to end the brainwashing in this country.
 
thethe said:
Has much more to do with the fact that young people started changing their sentiments in tik tok and with a separation from the ccp it can be used as a tool to end the brainwashing in this country.
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Pretty fortunate for Tik Tok to have that Trump dance go viral.
 
chop2chip said:
Pretty fortunate for Tik Tok to have that Trump dance go viral.
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Nobody in their right mind thought the ccp wanted Trump to win but now after the election victory you are insinuating they did by leveraging their control over the algorithm?
 
thethe said:
The reality is that young people voted for Trump in unprecedented numbers when considering the trends the last 30+ years. There is a reason for that.
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Cool. That doesn't change the fact the CCP has direct control in what young people in the US see.

Trump and you were all for a ban until TikTok paid him a visit. Now Trump and you want it saved
 
sturg33 said:
Cool. That doesn't change the fact the CCP has direct control in what young people in the US see.

Trump and you were all for a ban until TikTok paid him a visit. Now Trump and you want it saved
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And trump is pushing for a divestiture. So cool right?

I’m going to assume as long as that happens you would have supported this move pushing capitalism.
 
thethe said:
And trump is pushing for a divestiture. So cool right?

I’m going to assume as long as that happens you would have supported this move pushing capitalism.
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Yes. But that hasn't happened and pretty clear they are not gonna do it.

So what happens after 90 more days? Why is trump working so hard to help them?

They have on their existing page that they are grateful that Trump is going to work to save it.
 
sturg33 said:
Yes. But that hasn't happened and pretty clear they are not gonna do it.

So what happens after 90 more days? Why is trump working so hard to help them?

They have on their existing page that they are grateful that Trump is going to work to save it.
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You said I changed my tune but you neglect to mention it’s dependent on a diverstiture.

I’ll wait to see what your reaction is when that happens
 
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