Is Free Speech Under Attack in this Country?

thethe said:
Says the dude that pushed an obvious fake Russian collusion story.
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thethe said:
Thats because you are just thinking of certain personalities on Fox News. There are other programs/hosts on there who have been very critical of Trump. And thats just Fox News - Lots of other 'Conservative' outlets have trashed trump on things like Tariffs / Wars / Social policies / etc...

There was ZERO pushback on the left during Obamas term.
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I’ve been out of touch until the Kirk assassination, so I was stunned to see how critical Steve Bannon has been of Trump and Kash Patel lately. And Patel’s comment about seeing Kirk in Valhalla drew a massive amount of criticism from the right wing commentariat.
 
acesfull86 said:
And what if they’re indoctrinating leftist viewpoints without any visibility, but their students still meet the baseline? A not uncommon experience already.

How would you square that view while also believing the federal government must shutter MSNBC? Should every one of these schools be required to install a MAGA government worker in every classroom to ensure no proliferation of leftist propaganda? Or are you actually promoting a pro-market (gasp!) viewpoint?

I’m trying to figure out how one can be for 100% private education and for 100% heavy handed government influenced media…
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This pretty much nails down the problem with universities, and increasingly with public K-12 schools. Too many teachers absolutely are pushing their own extremist views and it’s shifting the Overton Window hard. But even if you were willing to use government power to stop it, how difficult would it be to find trustworthy people to monitor it? Desantis has really been the only one to come up with some kind of solution by changing oversight board memberships and setting up New College as an alternative, but that’s a bee sting of a solution on an elephant sized problem.

I guess denying federal funding or tuition payments to schools who give out tenure would help by making professors less comfortable. Refusing government loan payments for unproductive majors and classes would go a long way, the world doesn’t need any more art history or Russian queer lit majors, but it would only last until the next time a Dem takes office.

The problem is really that Marxist sympathizing professors started flocking to universities in the 50s and have shaped the few generations of their replacements to be even more so. Now we’re in a spot where all the experts agree that the left most way is the only way, because they weren’t allowed into the experts club if they didn’t agree. I don’t know how to fix that, but it’s one of the biggest problems in the country today. O’Sullivan’s First Law is absolute, and it’s absolutely depressing.
 
Jaw said:
I’ve been out of touch until the Kirk assassination, so I was stunned to see how critical Steve Bannon has been of Trump and Kash Patel lately. And Patel’s comment about seeing Kirk in Valhalla drew a massive amount of criticism from the right wing commentariat.
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There is tremendous diversity of thought on the right.
 
zitothebrave said:
That thread is like 60% thethe, so I don't think that's the burn you think it is.
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Want to check that stat out? Maybe after it was clear to anyone with more than 1 brain cell it was a fake so I then liked on you idiots that got it wrong. But that was a rabid leftist thread for like its first two years.
 
mqt said:
I didn’t push that story, dude. I still believe Russians ran an influence campaign to disrupt the 2016 Election, I still believe Donald Trump and his team welcomed the help, but I didn’t think it was the crisis level event the left made it out to be.
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I’m tempted to go back and validate your self assessment because I believe at the time you were more “trumps a Russian agent” whole also not being as stupid as BL/57/reddit boy
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/1967759168217157837

Free speech absolutists. While I’ve found some of the immediate historical revisionism over what Charlie Kirk would say about certain things to be a bit silly and idolizing, even I would probably agree that he wouldn’t side with the Attorney General demanding private companies fire anybody who mocks him or won’t agree to print out a picture of his face.

I get that there’s a ton of anger and grief happening right now, but come the fuck on now. This isn’t acceptable, and it’s exactly the type of shit Charlie Kirk made a living attacking.
 
Tapate50 said:
Well in a positive tone, that wipes out the tiny kkk gatherings that’s still exist
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I don’t think the government has much business stopping KKK meetings unless they’re doing something illegal either. I think they should *monitor* them and head off potential violence as we’ve always done with any hate group, but in addition to be unconstitutional, I think it’s counterproductive as it just allows the KKK to play the role of martyr being stopped by the globalists or Jews or whatever.
 
acesfull86 said:
But this time it’s different, they’ll say, yet again
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Don’t worry. They’ll suddenly find their zeal for free speech again in 2028 if President AOC targets hate speech against trans people. I’ll be admonished for not being forceful enough in my condemnation of those violations by the people celebrating them right now.
 
I believe this may be more lip service more than anything. But on the heels of the left shooting free speech advocates in the throat, I get people wanting something to be done. But long run you can’t.

The easiest ones to critique from our iPhones are the people that are being demanded to action at a time like this.
 
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