2025-2026 offseason thread

bravesfanMatt said:
Murph has negative trade value.. horrible 2025 and was injured to finish the year.. no one is giving any value for Murph at this point.
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bravesfanMatt said:
I am all onboard with Seager too.. I think your package is probably enough to do it.. not sure if Daysbel does anything.. but Waldrep alone is pretty good. Murphy balances money and gives them hopefully a good catcher..SS lottery ticket and maybe a pitching lottery ticket to replace Daysbel.

left out Elder.. he is a nice piece that might help the package.. he doesn't have a ton of value, but he isn't a cast off either.
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I think you guys are now trying to claim some sort of victory on the word negative... it is not that deep and you can clearly see that I followed up that post with the fact that Murph is basically a throw in that would balance the money out a bit and give the Rangers a good catcher hopefully. So take the word negative and spin it anyway you want.. but It is CLEAR that I am saying he is not adding any value to the trade outside of clearing payroll for the Braves..

If some team wants to give the Braves a 40fv prospect and it makes you feel good that that return is some sort of positive value then you hold those cards close to you.. but if my star catcher that I traded away a younger/cheaper/better catcher for is only netting me a 40 maybe 45 fv prospect.. then that is pretty damn negative imo...
 
So they are simultaneously willing to pay him that contract but also unwilling because…reasons. Got it. Makes total sense.

Of course, Correa is another poor comparison because he’s making over 2x what Murphy makes.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I think you guys are now trying to claim some sort of victory on the word negative... it is not that deep and you can clearly see that I followed up that post with the fact that Murph is basically a throw in that would balance the money out a bit and give the Rangers a good catcher hopefully. So take the word negative and spin it anyway you want.. but It is CLEAR that I am saying he is not adding any value to the trade outside of clearing payroll for the Braves..

If some team wants to give the Braves a 40fv prospect and it makes you feel good that that return is some sort of positive value then you hold those cards close to you.. but if my star catcher that I traded away a younger/cheaper/better catcher for is only netting me a 40 maybe 45 fv prospect.. then that is pretty damn negative imo...
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So you just don’t know what the word “negative” means. Got it.
 
Super said:
So they are simultaneously willing to pay him that contract but also unwilling because…reasons. Got it. Makes total sense.

Of course, Correa is another poor comparison because he’s making over 2x what Murphy makes.
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it is because they needed him at that time and the other options were going to cost money and prospects.. Why you trade for a salary dump and hope for the best. In FA, you have more options and can negotiate..

you can probably find a dozen options that make half what Murph makes that still fit the principle behind the point.
 
Carp said:
Because the team has no negotiating power on a waiver deal. They may take a chance because they have the money. That doesn't mean they would be willing to severely outbid everyone else in a free market.

Again, someone would likely claim Sonny Gray for no prospect value. But he isn't getting that contract in FA right now.

Consider Carlos Correa, who was entirely a salary dump by Minny.

There is virtually zero chance he is getting 3/100 on the open market right now with the decline he experienced both with the bat and the glove. Didn't stop Houston from trading for him as a salary dump.
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what are you even talking about, the team can't negotiate with the player but they can negotiate with the player's current team

which is exactly what happened with correa, and minnesota kicked in $10 million per year

and yes, i do think correa could get 3/60 on the open market
 
bravesfanMatt said:
it is because they needed him at that time and the other options were going to cost money and prospects.. Why you trade for a salary dump and hope for the best. In FA, you have more options and can negotiate..

you can probably find a dozen options that make half what Murph makes that still fit the principle behind the point.
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Yes, teams famously don’t need players during free agency.
 
rawwr said:
what are you even talking about, the team can't negotiate with the player but they can negotiate with the player's current team

which is exactly what happened with correa, and minnesota kicked in $10 million per year

and yes, i do think correa could get 3/60 on the open market
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Twisting themselves into pretzels to somehow claim Murphy has negative trade value due to his 3/$45 contract. Wild.
 
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Super said:
When you said he had negative trade value, I assumed you were saying he had negative trade value. My bad. Not sure how I mixed that up.
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I will let my editor know to proof my post better.. it really shouldn't be hard to see the point someone is making and not getting really hung up on a single word especially when I corrected it two post after saying it.. but take your prize for pointing out I said negative.. doesn't change the fact that Murph holds no value and wasn't in fact the best player in that trade like some here claimed so adamantly . should I go grab those posts??
 
Super said:
So they are simultaneously willing to pay him that contract but also unwilling because…reasons. Got it. Makes total sense.

Of course, Correa is another poor comparison because he’s making over 2x what Murphy makes.
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Surely, even you, can understand a simple concept of leverage right?

It doesn't matter what Correa makes. The same concept applies.
 
rawwr said:
what are you even talking about, the team can't negotiate with the player but they can negotiate with the player's current team

which is exactly what happened with correa, and minnesota kicked in $10 million per year

and yes, i do think correa could get 3/60 on the open market
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You are correct. Google AI failed me on the money details.

And regarding the first point, I am talking about a waiver claim situation. A team might feel there a player is worth the risk to rebound. That doesn't mean that team (or any other team) would freely offer the same contract in a free market situation where the player has no leverage.
 
Southcack77 said:
I think I'm content to wait for free agency to conclude before assigning a grade.

So far at a minimum they have upgraded SS slightly (or the middle infield bench significantly) and upgraded the 4th OF by a lot.

Probably they have have upgraded the bullpen.

If they added a SS and a #3 SP they'd have done real well.

Since SP was the primary thing they said they needed to address, I suspect they will do something there.

I think they're likely to touch SS again somehow.

I think maybe 1 more significant reliever is possible.
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Assigning a grade now is just a hypothetical situation where this is all the moves AA makes.

If this is all he did, I would give him a D. If he adds a SP like Bassitt I probably give him a C because that would represent filling all the needs with poor/mid MLB options....which is the very definitions of average work by the guy serving as head of baseball ops. Nothing creative, nothing that moves the needle, nothing that adds surplus value, just filling holes with whatever he can afford. Literally any professional sports GM can do that...so average Grade C work.
 
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