Economics Thread

sturg33 said:
Giving foreigners who contribute nothing more than citizens who contribute everything should induce a bigger reaction than "eh"
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Nah, not really any more so than when my taxes fund a family in Utah or Idaho public services. I don’t think they should be eligible but I’m not outraged.
 
mqt said:
Nah, not really any more so than when my taxes fund a family in Utah or Idaho public services. I don’t think they should be eligible but I’m not outraged.
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Dude. I at least appreciate that you sometimes go to bat for your insanity. But sometimes the nsacpi play of running away is preferred

Do yiu equate a citizen family in Utah the same as a an illegal Somalian in Minnesota?
 
mqt said:
Nah, not really any more so than when my taxes fund a family in Utah or Idaho public services. I don’t think they should be eligible but I’m not outraged.
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And, by the way.

Sturg33 says we should fund neither of these groups. Your position is we should fund both.

Do you believe in the concept of borders and citizenship to any degree?
 
sturg33 said:
Dude. I at least appreciate that you sometimes go to bat for your insanity. But sometimes the nsacpi play of running away is preferred

Do yiu equate a citizen family in Utah the same as a an illegal Somalian in Minnesota?
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I don’t equate them in terms of what they should be provided by the American government and my position isn’t that we should fund both. I am just not morally outraged by my dollars feeding the immigrant when I already expect it to feed the family in Utah.

My tax dollars this year have been spent bombing Iran, picking off boats in Venezuela, shipping people off to a torture prison in El Salvador and fighting with citizens in the streets of Minneapolis and Chicago. They’ve been used to make sick videos of Kristi Noem on a horse and Pete Hegseth flying in a jet. They’ve been used to let podcasters run the FBI and to make new signs for the Department of War and Gulf of America, and to tell Americans that vaccines and Tylenol cause Autism. So no, I’m not going to clutch my pearls every time a non-citizen gets a SNAP payment, and that doesn’t mean I support it happening. It just isn’t the issue that is going to keep me up at night.
 
Disgraceful - let’s feed the third world while they rob us because we do things to advance American interests in the world.
 
msstate7 said:
Yeah, importing people who leach off a rapidly building credit card balance doesn't seem the same...
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I think it’s fair to question our ability to afford social services for immigrants, but paying taxes to help people who hate you is a time-tested American tradition shared by many over the years.
 
mqt said:
I think it’s fair to question our ability to afford social services for immigrants, but paying taxes to help people who hate you is a time-tested American tradition shared by many over the years.
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At least those people didn’t all of a sudden. Econ’s the tipping point in elections. Democrats plan is very clear.

Don’t audit our elections though!
 
www.kielinstitut.de

America’s Own Goal: Who Pays the Tariffs? - Kiel Institute

www.kielinstitut.de www.kielinstitut.de

The 2025 US tariffs are an own goal: American importers and consumers bear nearly the entire cost. Foreign exporters absorb only about 4% of the tariff burden—the remaining 96% is passed through to US buyers.

• Using shipment-level data covering over 25 million transactions valued at nearly $4 trillion, we find near-complete pass-through of tariffs to US import prices.

• US customs revenue surged by approximately $200 billion in 2025—a tax paid almost entirely by Americans.

• Event studies around discrete tariff shocks on Brazil (50%) and India (25–50%) confirm: export prices did not decline. Trade volumes collapsed instead.

• Indian export customs data validates our findings: when facing US tariffs, Indian exporters maintained their prices and reduced shipments. They did not “eat” the tariff.
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Tapate50 said:
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I’ve done this and would do again.

Literally buying a house has earned me 4x the return than my 401k has over the same period. And enabled us to land in a bigger home twice.

Most of the time the house we are buying is available before ours can sell so the equity is locked up until ours would have sold.

This is a positiveS
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Nice. Congrats on the home. But that’s not the point of the tweet.
 
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