2025-2026 offseason thread

thethe said:
Profar isn't a DH exclusively though right?

I thoguht he was really good last year.
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Profar is a bad fielder. He isn't completely unplayable like Ozuna, but he should not be playing the field very often. And we knew that, or should have known that going into last season.
 
Yeah definitely more along the line of someone you can throw in LF and in an emergency can play some other positions for a very short period of time.

I really didn't see the issue with Profar especially considering he actually hit when he came back.
 
Carp said:
Bad moves:

Opted to let Freeman walk only to trade valuable assets to Oakland for another 1b and pay him the same contract Freeman wanted. Freeman and Olson have been worth roughly equal value, but Shea turned into a 3-4 WAR Catcher. This move wasn't completely terrible, but it was a bad decision nonetheless, especially with hindsight.

Let Swanson walk after 2022 and hasn't found a suitable replacement in 3 years.

Letting Fried walk last year and not finding ANY sort of replacement

Murphy trade was bad at the time and awful now. Then failed to trade him away last deadline when he would brought back a haul.

JK trade was awful and hindered our ability to improve the club later

Signed Eddie Rosario multiple times over the last 4 years

Traded for Soler and his bad contract in 2024.

Guaranteed the final year of the Lopez contract after his 2024 season, instead of letting it be an option year.

DFA'ing Griffin Canning and Ramon Laureano last off-season when our needs going into the season were (checks notes) pitching depth and a solid hitting LFer.

Signing Profar when we already had a DH

Bummer contract (nitpicking here, but 9.5 million for 2026 is a little ridiculous for a mediocre middle reliever)

And obviously the not doing anything is a bad move when you have obvious holes


VS the good moves he has made:


Sale (granted, this was an amazingly good move)
Iggy
Jansen
Holmes
Laureano (before DFAing him)
Lopez (before the final year guarantee)
Pierce Johnson
I might give him partial credit on the good side for Olson since he has been pretty great.

Most of his good moves have been relievers.
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LOL. You named about as many good moves as bad moves. Only I’d argue the good moves pre-2025 far outweigh the bad. And I don’t know why you’re mentioning Profar when the discussion was 2021 off-season until the start of 2025. Not that most everyone weren’t happy about filling the LF hole with the best bat available (I, for the record, was skeptical). Also a lot of hindsight and revisionist history here. He traded a catching prospect to get Matt Olson after Freeman decided he’d rather play in LA. You listed the Soler trade when it was a wash. He was able to get rid of the contract so it cost us nothing. And no one here wanted to pay Swanson that contract. And I mean no one.

You’re also forgetting about McHugh and O’Day who were huge for our bullpen in 2022. Like I said, his good moves during that interval far outweigh the bad.
 
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CyYoung31 said:
LOL. You named about as many good moves as bad moves. Only I’d argue the good moves pre-2025 far outweigh the bad. And I don’t know why you’re mentioning Profar when the discussion was 2021 off-season until the start of 2025. Not that most everyone weren’t happy about filling the LF hole with the best bat available (I, for the record, was skeptical). Also a lot of hindsight and revisionist history here. He traded a catching prospect to get Matt Olson after Freeman decided he’d rather play in LA. You listed the Soler trade when it was a wash. He was able to get rid of the contract so it cost us nothing. And no one here wanted to pay Swanson that contract. And I mean no one.

You’re also forgetting about McHugh and O’Day who were huge for our bullpen in 2022. Like I said, his good moves during that interval far outweigh the bad.
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I count 11 bad moves, without factoring in him doing essentially nothing for a year and a half. I only count 8 good moves. So your math is a bad as your argument.

And I don't recall anyone mentioning pre-2025 as some sort of barometer, though I might have missed that.

Also, most of the good moves were BP moves, which have far less impact. Especially the moves for middle relievers like McHugh and O'Day. Jansen and Iggy were legitimate big moves. So was Jiminez, but he's barely pitched since signing that contract and may not pitch again this season. So good and bad on the one.
 
I give AA more credit for the drafts.. while not perfect and lacking depth.. the pure MLB talent he has gotten out of them already is pretty impressive. other than that, AA job should have bee really easy.. keep the core together.. add around the edges and hopefully a starter or two.. and keep producing studs from your draft.. then retire a legend.
 
Carp said:
I count 11 bad moves, without factoring in him doing essentially nothing for a year and a half. I only count 8 good moves. So your math is a bad as your argument.

And I don't recall anyone mentioning pre-2025 as some sort of barometer, though I might have missed that.

Also, most of the good moves were BP moves, which have far less impact. Especially the moves for middle relievers like McHugh and O'Day. Jansen and Iggy were legitimate big moves. So was Jiminez, but he's barely pitched since signing that contract and may not pitch again this season. So good and bad on the one.
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Yeah, you did miss that. Just like you miss a lot of things. You’re the one who decided to idiotically die on this hill that AA is a bad GM all of a sudden, and everyone here has already called you out on it. Nice attempt to bullshit your way out of it though.

“3 more bad moves while ignoring impact and context means AA bad”. LOL
 
CyYoung31 said:
Yeah, you did miss that. Just like you miss a lot of things. You’re the one who decided to idiotically die on this hill that AA is a bad GM all of a sudden, and everyone here has already called you out on it. Nice attempt to bullshit your way out of it though.

“3 more bad moves while ignoring impact and context means AA bad”. LOL
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Giving equal weight to picking up Eddie Rosario and Soler to acquiring Chris Sale (and extending to a great contract) is stunningly bad faith
 
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chop2chip said:
Giving equal weight to picking up Eddie Rosario and Soler to acquiring Chris Sale (and extending to a great contract) is stunningly bad faith
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I would equate those moves (specifically the first signing of Eddie, which wasn't for chump change) to the BP moves like Pierce Johnson. Not to Sale.

I would argue for as good as the Sale trade was for us, the Murphy trade was just as bad. Bill has been worth 14.9 WAR since leaving Atlanta vs Murphy's 7.8.
 
CyYoung31 said:
Yeah, you did miss that. Just like you miss a lot of things. You’re the one who decided to idiotically die on this hill that AA is a bad GM all of a sudden, and everyone here has already called you out on it. Nice attempt to bullshit your way out of it though.

“3 more bad moves while ignoring impact and context means AA bad”. LOL
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The impact of most of those were minimal. The BP moves were largely not super significant.

His high impact additions that were not net negative were Sale, Jansen, and Iggy. In 4 years. That's a problem.
 
Carp said:
The impact of most of those were minimal. The BP moves were largely not super significant.

His high impact additions that were not net negative were Sale, Jansen, and Iggy. In 4 years. That's a problem.
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he acquired a multiple time all star and signed him a below market rate extension that’s aged well.

He did this AFTER Freeman didn’t accept the Braves offer that would have paid him more than what he got from LA.

How is that not high impact?
 
chop2chip said:
he acquired a multiple time all star and signed him a below market rate extension that’s aged well.

He did this AFTER Freeman didn’t accept the Braves offer that would have paid him more than what he got from LA.

How is that not high impact?
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We could have kept Freeman for the same contract we ended up giving Olson. And we could have kept the prospect package that included a catcher that would end up being a 3-4fwar catcher.

Even as well as Olson has played for us, the opportunity cost makes that a net negative.
 
You guys ever stop and consider that AA has proven to be a very smart fella, and that his performance review from his boss probably indicates that he is doing an A+ job based on the criteria that they have laid out for him? The fanbase and paparazzi might not like it, but I’m pretty sure AA is doing what makes the only opinion that matters happy as can be. “We need to operate at ABC margin- make that team good enough to pack the battery every 81 nights, and keep our payroll at XYZ” - oh and our TV situation is going to suddenly require some upfront funds, so shut down the idea of buying so and so- let’s roll with what we’ve got.” I suspect I’m not too far off here….
 
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