This is my problem in a nutshell. Up until approximately a few months ago, your political movement was one of the strongest voices in anti-interventionism and calling out big government, and that sentiment has contributed to the holding the government accountable. If you show a willingness to self-propagandize en masse because you trust the Trump Administration to be a radical change agent, you fundamentally change that incentive structure. So yes, we should demand the government provide some sort of *actual* evidence a school that was hit by a missile during an active missile strike we were conducting was actually caused by an inept or corrupt Iranian government instead of just preemptively declaring it on the government’s behalf.
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But surely you must see that you can’t reduce it to something as simple as China Bad, USA Good. You’re fond of reminding the left that institutions will lie to you and what can happen in a place like China, yet you seem very open to trusting the ends will justify the means because the “right” people are in charge.
We are strangling chinas access to fuel that can generate high concentrations of power. It’s a very straight forward calculus.
Me personally I want to see Islam take a massive blow globally.
And yes - I think trump and his circle are generally “good” people and should not be compared to Ccp leadership.
But none of that is particularly relevant to the conversation we’re having right now. Even if you believe the most important geopolitical matter facing us right now is weakening China, it does not necessarily follow that the US will only act morally and responsibly and thus any act that might be immoral or horrible like a bombed school must have been committed by some designated bad actor. And ultimately that’s what your argument on the school seems to rest on: Iran is a bad actor that we cannot rely on to tell the truth, so therefore the only realistic scenario is Iran bombed their own children either through ineptitude or malice, and anybody who disputes or even questions that obvious reality is a moron.
This has become an increasingly toxic trait of modern politics on both sides, and I know I’m guilty of it myself. But to me, it’s hard to watch you answer the question “is it wise to openly declare you have no reason to distrust the government because it’s always worked out so well before” with “we’ve always only cared about China actually” and take your criticisms seriously.
Trusting this uncritically is how you become Iran.
Everyone in the venue of course implicitly understood that when Trump said we would not have a war with Iran, he meant “…unless it will weaken China, so we will actually do that next year.”
Well - He didn't say Iran in that clip.
And the 'wars' that we are all tired of are long drawn out wars with US investment.
Lets see where this goes because if its over in a few weeks and Iran is now under democratic law then everyone will cheer.
Was venezuela a war? When Iran is over in weeks is that a 'war'?
Iraq was a war. Afghanistan was a war. Russia/Ukrinae is a war.
But you know that....
And the 'wars' that we are all tired of are long drawn out wars with US investment.
Lets see where this goes because if its over in a few weeks and Iran is now under democratic law then everyone will cheer.
Was venezuela a war? When Iran is over in weeks is that a 'war'?
Iraq was a war. Afghanistan was a war. Russia/Ukrinae is a war.
But you know that....
Okay, that’s how you get 1930s Germany? I’m not playing the Nazi card to be dramatic, but blindly trusting your government is right and the country you’re bombing is wrong per se and only a fool could think otherwise is the exact mentality that can lead you to rationalizing basically any atrocity as just.
There are videos, eye witness accounts and photos seeming to corroborate the Iranian government’s account, and the United States to my knowledge has not yet denied the validity of the claim. And yet you’ve decided that the only piece of information you needed was that Iran said it happened and it was bad, therefore the most likely scenario is a misfire or false flag, and not the many missiles we shot.
There’s a key difference between healthy skepticism and adhering to a logical fallacy. Iran would undoubtedly be willing to lie about this, but they’d also shout it from the rooftops if it actually happened. They’re aren’t mythical creatures magically compelled to tell falsehoods. But instead of finding evidence that shows they’re lying, you’re just declaring it.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
There’s a whole lot of digital ink being spilled about this here that isn’t necessary. Fog of war will settle and the truth will come out. The school was supposed to be 600m from the nearby military base that was hit. That would be an incredible miss for militaries who use precision munitions that can be steered through windows, directed at critical spots on underway ships, or target specific seats of moving cars.
But maybe it happened.
But maybe it happened.
