Braves Trade Deadline Rumors

thethe said:
Say no to trading Gattis and Wood in teh same deal. Trading one is fine but thsoe are going to be two impactful league minimum players. You can't just deal those guys together.
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Jury is still out on Wood at this time. I share the love for Gattis with you but with Mac situation up in the air who knows what Wren will do. The obvious need right now is a TOR pitcher, not the LHRP we needed yesterday.
 
PawPawMaxwell said:
Jury is still out on Wood at this time. I share the love for Gattis with you but with Mac situation up in the air who knows what Wren will do. The obvious need right now is a TOR pitcher, not the LHRP we needed yesterday.
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I just don't agree personally. If Huddy never got hurt this would have been the playoff rotation:

Minor
Huddy
Beachy
Medlen/Tehearn

Now its:

Minor
Beachy
Medlen
Tehearn

I just don't see a HUGE difference where we have to trade one of our really good long term assets for. I know I may be over the top for Wood but that guy just has dynamite stuff. he could get hurt of course but I woudl keep him.

Also, if Sale hit the market I think it would cost more than both Gattis/Wood.
 
thethe said:
I just don't agree personally. If Huddy never got hurt this would have been the playoff rotation:

Minor
Huddy
Beachy
Medlen/Tehearn

Now its:

Minor
Beachy
Medlen
Tehearn

I just don't see a HUGE difference where we have to trade one of our really good long term assets for. I know I may be over the top for Wood but that guy just has dynamite stuff. he could get hurt of course but I woudl keep him.

Also, if Sale hit the market I think it would cost more than both Gattis/Wood.
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Correct. The eight game lead with two months to go take a lot of pressure off of the need to trade for a starter. The situation ABSOLUTELY does not dictate trading a long-term asset for a mid range (which is all we could get, at best) starter.

jc
 
thethe said:
Say no to trading Gattis and Wood in teh same deal. Trading one is fine but thsoe are going to be two impactful league minimum players. You can't just deal those guys together.
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I would do that trade. But I'd not want Flowers and Beckham back, I'd want someone better. That's a heck of a salary savings though.

Maybe if instead we took back Sale, Thornton, and Crain I'd do it.

THen call up LaStella

Lineup would take a big hit but pitching would be way better

2B - LaStella (he or simmons could switch but I'd take his patience over Simmons's)

RF - Heyward

LF - Justin

1B - Freddie

C - Mac

3B - Johnson

SS - Simmons

CF - Bossman

Bench (when healthy)

Laird

Pastor

Reed

Schafer

Terdo

Rotation

Sale

Minor

Medlen

Beachy

Julio

Assuming Beachy comes back to form, the weakest pitcher in that rotation is Medlen who's well above average.

Pen

Kimbrel

Walden

Crain

Thornton

Avilan

2 others.
 
PawPawMaxwell said:
It is almost painful to post this but I wonder if the injury to Hudson would now put any trade partners on the offensive where they would ask for Gattis. Having said that then would you consider a Gattis, Wood, Uggla and some money for Sale, Beckham and Flowers?
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Tough one. I have an admittedly irrational dislike for Uggla as a player, but I think the benefit of that trade definitely goes to the White Sox. Gattis has shown an ability to play LF (and some 1B) in addition to catching and we need his bat. I always liked Flowers (I'd love to see him and Gattis in an arm-wrestling match), but he's solely a C and a "power only" guy. I don't want to p*ss off you Georgia guys, but I don't think much of Beckham.

PS--Any deal with the White Sox would have to include DeWayne Wise coming back to Atlanta!
 
JCarbo76 said:
Correct. The eight game lead with two months to go take a lot of pressure off of the need to trade for a starter. The situation ABSOLUTELY does not dictate trading a long-term asset for a mid range (which is all we could get, at best) starter.

jc
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Are you saying Sale is a midrange asset? If so check his stats and contract situation please.
 
JCarbo76 said:
Correct. The eight game lead with two months to go take a lot of pressure off of the need to trade for a starter. The situation ABSOLUTELY does not dictate trading a long-term asset for a mid range (which is all we could get, at best) starter.

jc
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I think we still need to aggressively go after someone like Thatcher or Ollie Perez.

With the uncertainty of our starting rotation with Hudson and Maholm and Beachy coming back from TJ, it makes me think Fredi won't trust guys to go deep into games because of pitch counts, meaning our bullpen may not even make it to the playoffs. We've been fortunate that Avilan, Carpenter, and everyone NOT Walden-Kimbrel have pitched pretty good and injury free. We had an Avilan scare early, but you know Fredi's run arms into the ground before it can happen again.

Since Minor seems to be the only guy NOT Hudson or Maholm that could go 7-8 innings, Fredi's going to rely on his bullpen more and more and more.
 
zitothebrave said:
I would do that trade. But I'd not want Flowers and Beckham back, I'd want someone better. That's a heck of a salary savings though.

Maybe if instead we took back Sale, Thornton, and Crain I'd do it.

THen call up LaStella

Lineup would take a big hit but pitching would be way better

2B - LaStella (he or simmons could switch but I'd take his patience over Simmons's)
RF - Heyward
LF - Justin
1B - Freddie
C - Mac
3B - Johnson
SS - Simmons
CF - Bossman

Bench (when healthy)
Laird
Pastor
Reed
Schafer
Terdo

Rotation

Sale
Minor
Medlen
Beachy
Julio

Assuming Beachy comes back to form, the weakest pitcher in that rotation is Medlen who's well above average.

Pen

Kimbrel
Walden
Crain
Thornton
Avilan
2 others.
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z! Asleep at the switch. Thornton got traded to the Red Sox the other day.
 
Sale is a great pitcher so I can't say we woudn't get something extremely valueable back. I am just leary on trading both of those players. Neither will have the impact that Sale has individually but together? I'm not so sure.

What if Wood becomes a solid #2 and Gattis is a 35+ homerun hitter from the catcher position? Isn't that more valueable than just Sale?

I think there will be buyers for Uggla in the offseason. Guy is on pace to hit 30+ homers again.
 
thethe said:
Sale is a great pitcher so I can't say we woudn't get something extremely valueable back. I am just leary on trading both of those players. Neither will have the impact that Sale has individually but together? I'm not so sure.

What if Wood becomes a solid #2 and Gattis is a 35+ homerun hitter from the catcher position? Isn't that more valueable than just Sale?

I think there will be buyers for Uggla in the offseason. Guy is on pace to hit 30+ homers again.
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Gattis has shown no signs of being consistent enough to hit 35 homeruns. He's shown more than he has absolutely no knowledge of the strikezone than he does having 35 HR potential. He had a torrid April like Justin, but anyone can get hot for a month. Francouer is always the main case.

I have no idea what to expect from Wood. He didn't exactly dominate in his time in the bullpen either and the only reason he was rushed to the bigs was because of injuries to EOF and Venters. If they hadn't gotten hurt, Wood would probably still be in AA right now. I think expecting him to pitch as a 3 right now is generous. I'd love for him to prove me wrong but nothing mechanically or stuff wise leads me to believe he's going to give us 6-7 solid innings per start.
 
50PoundHead said:
Tough one. I have an admittedly irrational dislike for Uggla as a player, but I think the benefit of that trade definitely goes to the White Sox. Gattis has shown an ability to play LF (and some 1B) in addition to catching and we need his bat. I always liked Flowers (I'd love to see him and Gattis in an arm-wrestling match), but he's solely a C and a "power only" guy. I don't want to p*ss off you Georgia guys, but I don't think much of Beckham.

PS--Any deal with the White Sox would have to include DeWayne Wise coming back to Atlanta!
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How many at bats do you expect Gattis to get in the playoffs before the WS? The move of Uggla would be simply to make a deal with McCann easier. Flowers would be insurance for this year only. Beckham is fungible in the future but a gap filler for now since Pastornicky cant seem to stick.
 
BravesFanInSAV said:
Gattis has shown no signs of being consistent enough to hit 35 homeruns. He's shown more than he has absolutely no knowledge of the strikezone than he does having 35 HR potential. He had a torrid April like Justin, but anyone can get hot for a month. Francouer is always the main case.

I have no idea what to expect from Wood. He didn't exactly dominate in his time in the bullpen either and the only reason he was rushed to the bigs was because of injuries to EOF and Venters. If they hadn't gotten hurt, Wood would probably still be in AA right now. I think expecting him to pitch as a 3 right now is generous. I'd love for him to prove me wrong but nothing mechanically or stuff wise leads me to believe he's going to give us 6-7 solid innings per start.
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Alex Wood has over a k per inning and a 1.77 FIP and 2.28 xFIP in his major league career at 22 years of age. How is that not impressive?

Gattis had a better May than he did in April and in a small sample is having an ok July.

I'm not really following you on this SAV.
 
PawPawMaxwell said:
How many at bats do you expect Gattis to get in the playoffs before the WS? The move of Uggla would be simply to make a deal with McCann easier. Flowers would be insurance for this year only. Beckham is fungible in the future but a gap filler for now since Pastornicky cant seem to stick.
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If BJ UPton doesn't start hitting he is going to be a late inning defensive replacement IMO then just restart for next year. Gattis will play everyday in LF in the playoffs if he is still hitting.
 
thethe said:
Alex Wood has over a k per inning and a 1.77 FIP and 2.28 xFIP in his major league career at 22 years of age. How is that not impressive?

Gattis had a better May than he did in April and in a small sample is having an ok July.

I'm not really following you on this SAV.
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Its pretty simple, are we playing for the post season this year or down the road?
 
PawPawMaxwell said:
Its pretty simple, are we playing for the post season this year or down the road?
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Thats always a tough question. I know one of these years the Braves just need to go for it but when you look at previous world series winners there wasn't that one move that was made which forced all of baseball to say now they are the favorites. Playoffs are a crap shoot. We have so much damn high end talent on this team. they just need to perform and we can win without Sale.
 
thethe said:
Thats always a tough question. I know one of these years the Braves just need to go for it but when you look at previous world series winners there wasn't that one move that was made which forced all of baseball to say now they are the favorites. Playoffs are a crap shoot. We have so much damn high end talent on this team. they just need to perform and we can win without Sale.
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Sale is just an example of the need. There was a time recently that Ken Rosenthal was the most respected journalist of all when it concerned the Braves. Read his article posted today in MLBTraderumors.
 
PawPawMaxwell said:
Sale is just an example of the need. There was a time recently that Ken Rosenthal was the most respected journalist of all when it concerned the Braves. Read his article posted today in MLBTraderumors.
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Left-hander Mike Minor, the Braves’ No. 2 starter, might not even be a true No. 2.

Clearly Rosenthal doesn't watch the Braves enough.
 
thethe said:
Left-hander Mike Minor, the Braves’ No. 2 starter, might not even be a true No. 2.

Clearly Rosenthal doesn't watch the Braves enough.
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Does that mean you truly think Minor is a true #2 or just the best available on the Braves team? Me, I personally think he needs to cut down on the HRs allowed before the coronation.
 
PawPawMaxwell said:
How many at bats do you expect Gattis to get in the playoffs before the WS? The move of Uggla would be simply to make a deal with McCann easier. Flowers would be insurance for this year only. Beckham is fungible in the future but a gap filler for now since Pastornicky cant seem to stick.
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If we make it to the WS, Gattis would be the DH in the AL park. Plus, he gives us a LF option against LHP if you put Heyward in CF and BJ Upton on the bench. Add to that his value as a PH and I think the question is answered.

In answer to the other question of "now or later," I've always been of the school that you don't make massive adjustments with just one year in mind. I haven't liked the pattern we've taken since the Texiera trade and I wouldn't sell the farm for Sale.

It's early on Wood, but the returns thus far have been promising.
 
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